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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1394039" data-attributes="member: 12680">I am a little confused at how this works.  Let's say you are a sorcerer with greater invisibility (against nothing with scent).  You attack with a magic missile and then immediately attempt a hide check at a -20 penalty (sniping).  However the fact that you remained stationary with greater invisibility gave you a +40.Now let's say that you ignore the entry on sniping and you just fire a magic missile and then move 10 feet in one direction.  Your enemies try to spot you, but since you are invisible you get a +20 to your hide check.  Can you even use a hide check?From the skill section it sounds like you can't use the hide skill after making a ranged attack unless you are sniping (and therefore not moving).  However, if you are invisible and you move after casting a spell, the enemies would try to spot you.  If you don't get a hide check, what is there to oppose their spot check?  What if you declare that you aren't trying to snipe, but still don't move out of the spot where you cast the spell?  Does that mean you would no longer have the -20 to your hide check when they tried to spot you?It seems like any of the following three options would be possible...1. You try sniping... You cast a spell, then take a hide check at -20 (but with the +40 from greater invisibility)2. You just cast a spell, but remain in that same square.  They try to spot you, but you have a +40 from greater invisibility3. You cast a spell and then move.  They try to spot you and you roll your opposed hide check at a +20 from greater invisibility.If those are true, why would anyone try sniping?  If you are forced to take the -20 to hide as if you were sniping even if you didn't declare it... it still makes remaining in the same spot equal to moving to another spot so you are just as hard to spot.  I am assuming that the -20 to hide comes from them possibly seeing the origin of the attack so it wouldn't be fair to have them make a spot check to see the spell's origin... that is already calculated in the hide check.Do I understand this right?  Where are my errors, and could you point me to other relevant passages from the SRD? PHB, DMG, and MM would also work.There is also the possibility that you never need to take the -20 while invisible because you don't need to conceal yourself after the shot.  You already have total concealment.</blockquote>

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