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<blockquote data-quote="MonkeyDragon" data-source="post: 5934622" data-attributes="member: 23929"><p>This. Many times this. Theron is fairer on her ugly days than Ms Stewart, whose defining feature is the inability to keep her mouth closed.</p><p></p><p>I agree with a lot of the comments I have heard. Weak, meandering plot and generally mediocre acting. It did look pretty cool, but even watching with the sound off doesn't work if there's a scene in the first few minutes where the main character should by all rights be killed (scene of jumping a great distance into a churning sea with lots of rocks, I'm looking at you.)</p><p></p><p>Mostly I think that the story lagged at unimportant parts and rushed through crucial development.</p><p></p><p>Spoiler!</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Black">Snow White (who is hardly ever addressed by name, so it was hard to think of her as anything but Kristen Stewart) was about 8 when she was locked away and probably spent about 10 years in her cell. The tower is barren, and she's all smudged, to show us that she's been generally neglected during that time.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">First, why is she not a psychological mess? She's been in solitary for her whole adolescance. A person doesn't go through that without being extremely stunted mentally and emotionally. She shouldn't be able to communicate and relate to others like a regular adult.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Second, where did she learn all those skills? I'll give her starting a fire, since she's actually had the time and materials to practice that. But with no instruction and no way to practice or exercise, she can do a running slide into a grate, do a controlled jump into rough water, swim in rough water, ride a horse at top speed bareback and in full armor, run up a squillion stairs in armor, swing a sword, run long distances...</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Third, everything's just atrociously convienant. Why is she wearing leather breeches and boots under her gown? Where did that horse come from? How did she and/or the huntsman know where the Duke's keep was, considering how long they had to travel to get there? Did they just happen to have a spare set of armor lying around to fit her? Why is she not surprised by any of the magic of the forest that she sees?</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">And Fourth, where's the explanation for important parts of the plot. Why is she the Chosen One of the faeries and nature spirits? She can kill the queen because she's prettier, but how does that translate into being able to heal the land? The beginning speaks of her coming of age and now being the fairest in the land, but we're missing a bit of information as to why NOW she's a threat to the queen. Did she just turn 18? Did she have her first blood? Both might be counted as a milestone as to why she's the fairest today but not yesterday. What's the deal with having her say the Lord's Prayer at the beginning, but have no other reference to religion or Christ for the entire movie? Then there's the "romance" with the huntsman. There's no hint of anything other than brotherly affection between them the whole time, but it's HIS kiss that wakes her. Finally...WHY DOES THE KISS BRING HER BACK TO LIFE? If you're trying to reinvent the fairy tale, the "that's how Snow White wakes" just doesn't cut it.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Sooo...yeah. In my opinion, this movie was full of fail. Wanna know how I would write it?</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Ravenna marries the King. Instead of outright murder and hostile takeover, she makes it look like an accident. The land slowly withers as her insidiousness takes over. The duke and his household make their escape as they realize that bad stuff is going down, trying to rescue the princess and failing.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Instead of the dungeon tower, Snow White is held captive in a comfortable bower, where she is given the schooling and luxuries that befit a young princess. And Guarded heavily, of course, for her own protection. the Queen is still styling herself as Regent, at this point.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">As the girl grows, Ravenna becomes worried that she will be too pretty and be a threat. She decides to sneakily do away with her as well. Cue the castle huntsman in his traditional role. Leaves her in the forest, brings the queen the stag's heart.</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">THEN comes her time in the dark forest and the hidden faerie glade inside. She can LEARN things from the dwarves. Training montage, anyone?</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Ravenna's been thinking everything's just dandy, until Snow hits 18 and the mirror tells her that she's the prettiest now. Huntsman makes a run for it before he's asked to explain himself; meets up with Snow. He's astounded by how she's matured from girl to woman during all the montages! They make the run for the Duke's keep, the romance buds while they're dodging the queens assassins, then there's an apple. (OR break the mold of the main characters having to hook up, and keep their relationship platonic and let the duke's son have some purpose as the kisser)</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">So now by the time Snow comes back from the dead (with at least some kind of explanation,) she's actually had some kind of character growth and a reason to have the skills to lead a host. March on the castle, have a fight scene, crown the new queen. The end!</span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">Not perfect, but not bad for a half hour's thought. Personally, I think it's better than "Hi, I'm Kristen Stewart! I'm going to be myself for two hours!" and "Hi, I'm Charlize Theron! My character's name is Ravenna, which is convienant since I like to turn into a flock of ravens. I'm having a crisis because the mirror-puddle guy thinks Kristen is prettier than me."</span></p><p> </p><p>/spoiler</p><p></p><p>tl;dr: I think the script is super weak, and that my idea is better. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MonkeyDragon, post: 5934622, member: 23929"] This. Many times this. Theron is fairer on her ugly days than Ms Stewart, whose defining feature is the inability to keep her mouth closed. I agree with a lot of the comments I have heard. Weak, meandering plot and generally mediocre acting. It did look pretty cool, but even watching with the sound off doesn't work if there's a scene in the first few minutes where the main character should by all rights be killed (scene of jumping a great distance into a churning sea with lots of rocks, I'm looking at you.) Mostly I think that the story lagged at unimportant parts and rushed through crucial development. Spoiler! [COLOR="Black"]Snow White (who is hardly ever addressed by name, so it was hard to think of her as anything but Kristen Stewart) was about 8 when she was locked away and probably spent about 10 years in her cell. The tower is barren, and she's all smudged, to show us that she's been generally neglected during that time. First, why is she not a psychological mess? She's been in solitary for her whole adolescance. A person doesn't go through that without being extremely stunted mentally and emotionally. She shouldn't be able to communicate and relate to others like a regular adult. Second, where did she learn all those skills? I'll give her starting a fire, since she's actually had the time and materials to practice that. But with no instruction and no way to practice or exercise, she can do a running slide into a grate, do a controlled jump into rough water, swim in rough water, ride a horse at top speed bareback and in full armor, run up a squillion stairs in armor, swing a sword, run long distances... Third, everything's just atrociously convienant. Why is she wearing leather breeches and boots under her gown? Where did that horse come from? How did she and/or the huntsman know where the Duke's keep was, considering how long they had to travel to get there? Did they just happen to have a spare set of armor lying around to fit her? Why is she not surprised by any of the magic of the forest that she sees? And Fourth, where's the explanation for important parts of the plot. Why is she the Chosen One of the faeries and nature spirits? She can kill the queen because she's prettier, but how does that translate into being able to heal the land? The beginning speaks of her coming of age and now being the fairest in the land, but we're missing a bit of information as to why NOW she's a threat to the queen. Did she just turn 18? Did she have her first blood? Both might be counted as a milestone as to why she's the fairest today but not yesterday. What's the deal with having her say the Lord's Prayer at the beginning, but have no other reference to religion or Christ for the entire movie? Then there's the "romance" with the huntsman. There's no hint of anything other than brotherly affection between them the whole time, but it's HIS kiss that wakes her. Finally...WHY DOES THE KISS BRING HER BACK TO LIFE? If you're trying to reinvent the fairy tale, the "that's how Snow White wakes" just doesn't cut it. Sooo...yeah. In my opinion, this movie was full of fail. Wanna know how I would write it? Ravenna marries the King. Instead of outright murder and hostile takeover, she makes it look like an accident. The land slowly withers as her insidiousness takes over. The duke and his household make their escape as they realize that bad stuff is going down, trying to rescue the princess and failing. Instead of the dungeon tower, Snow White is held captive in a comfortable bower, where she is given the schooling and luxuries that befit a young princess. And Guarded heavily, of course, for her own protection. the Queen is still styling herself as Regent, at this point. As the girl grows, Ravenna becomes worried that she will be too pretty and be a threat. She decides to sneakily do away with her as well. Cue the castle huntsman in his traditional role. Leaves her in the forest, brings the queen the stag's heart. THEN comes her time in the dark forest and the hidden faerie glade inside. She can LEARN things from the dwarves. Training montage, anyone? Ravenna's been thinking everything's just dandy, until Snow hits 18 and the mirror tells her that she's the prettiest now. Huntsman makes a run for it before he's asked to explain himself; meets up with Snow. He's astounded by how she's matured from girl to woman during all the montages! They make the run for the Duke's keep, the romance buds while they're dodging the queens assassins, then there's an apple. (OR break the mold of the main characters having to hook up, and keep their relationship platonic and let the duke's son have some purpose as the kisser) So now by the time Snow comes back from the dead (with at least some kind of explanation,) she's actually had some kind of character growth and a reason to have the skills to lead a host. March on the castle, have a fight scene, crown the new queen. The end! Not perfect, but not bad for a half hour's thought. Personally, I think it's better than "Hi, I'm Kristen Stewart! I'm going to be myself for two hours!" and "Hi, I'm Charlize Theron! My character's name is Ravenna, which is convienant since I like to turn into a flock of ravens. I'm having a crisis because the mirror-puddle guy thinks Kristen is prettier than me."[/COLOR] /spoiler tl;dr: I think the script is super weak, and that my idea is better. :p [/QUOTE]
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