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<blockquote data-quote="BoldItalic" data-source="post: 6830026" data-attributes="member: 6777052"><p>No, he hasn't trained to overcome the deficiency - the deficiency was never there. Skills are not necessarily the result of training, they can be innate, as in this case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>At least we agree on that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Humour me. Where in the book does it say that?</p><p></p><p>Ability scores can be increased as part of the level-up procedure, so they can't be described as entirely innate, can they?</p><p></p><p>By contrast, skills are, with one exception, determined entirely at character creation. (The exception is when a Bard joins the College of Lore at Level 3 and gains three more skills). Apart from that, skills cannot be augmented at all. Skills cannot be trained. (Tools and languages can be trained by spending downtime, but skills can't). Therefore, Bards, aside, a character's skills are innate at the point of creation. You may pretend to yourself that they are the result of childhood training but that is your interpretation, it is not demanded by the rules. I choose to make a different interpretation, one that is consistent with there being no general mechanism in the rules for gaining new skills. In my interpretation, skills are innate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>At least we are now agreed that Investigation represents a type of reasoning.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Such as? Deductive reasoning is covered by Investigation and inductive reasoning is covered by Wisdom. Is there some other type of reasoning that I don't know about, that is built into the game somewhere?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BoldItalic, post: 6830026, member: 6777052"] No, he hasn't trained to overcome the deficiency - the deficiency was never there. Skills are not necessarily the result of training, they can be innate, as in this case. At least we agree on that :) Humour me. Where in the book does it say that? Ability scores can be increased as part of the level-up procedure, so they can't be described as entirely innate, can they? By contrast, skills are, with one exception, determined entirely at character creation. (The exception is when a Bard joins the College of Lore at Level 3 and gains three more skills). Apart from that, skills cannot be augmented at all. Skills cannot be trained. (Tools and languages can be trained by spending downtime, but skills can't). Therefore, Bards, aside, a character's skills are innate at the point of creation. You may pretend to yourself that they are the result of childhood training but that is your interpretation, it is not demanded by the rules. I choose to make a different interpretation, one that is consistent with there being no general mechanism in the rules for gaining new skills. In my interpretation, skills are innate. At least we are now agreed that Investigation represents a type of reasoning. Such as? Deductive reasoning is covered by Investigation and inductive reasoning is covered by Wisdom. Is there some other type of reasoning that I don't know about, that is built into the game somewhere? [/QUOTE]
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