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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6841471" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is false for the 1st ed AD&D PHB and DMG. I've quoted the relevant paragraphs upthread.They say that INT "is quite similar to" or "roughly corresponds to" IQ, but (i) they don't give any metric for that similarity or rough correspondence, and (ii) they both say that INT also includes/assumes things that IQ doesn't. Similarity to and roughly corresponding to are not identical to or synonyms of equals or even uniformly correlates with.It doesn't suggest anything of that sort. For all we know, the relevant function could be 50 + INT *5. The only suggestion of *10 is the mention of 80 IQ in the discussion of languages.And you still haven't addressed Moldvay Basic, which has an INT chart which has nothing to say about IQ and is all about literacy and language use.No one is treating INT differently for animals - as for humans, so for them it confers certain bonuses or penalties on checks that involve reasoning, memory etc.But INT doesn't exhaust cognitive, linguistic etc abilities in 5e. Sufficient proof of this is that (unlike Moldvay Basic and AD&D) language learning is completely divorced from INT.And the most fundamental issue is this: where, in 1st ed AD&D, do the rules say that having a particular INT score must serve as a limit on a player's action declaration for his/her PC? I don't see that written anywhere. And in the only discussion of roleplaying in the book - which is the closing section on SUCCESSFUL ADVENTURES - Gygax assumes that each player will do his/her best to bring his/her own intelligence to bear upon the game. The notion that playing a character means pretending to have the mental abilities of that character is nowhere to be found in the 1st ed AD&D core rules. (Of course the DMG mentions that principle in many places as applying to the GM, but the GM is not playing NPCs/monsters in the way that players are playing their PCs.)</blockquote>

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