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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6842368" data-attributes="member: 42582">To echo  [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] - based on which charts?When I Google IQ 180, <a href="https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071226074346AAJSoSt" target="_blank">here is the first thing that comes up</a>:To give you an idea how rare even an IQ of 160 is--only 3 people out of 100,000 people score that high or would score higher if a valid IQ test could test them. Because the numbers of people with IQs above that level are so tiny, no test can be devised that can accurately test that high and accurately distinguish between people who have an IQ of, say, 170 versus 180. But to answer your question more precisely, assuming that an IQ of 180 could be tested accurately, the number of people with that IQ or above would be: One out of 18.46 million people, so that would be rare indeed. (This assumes the usual standard deviation of 15.)Given that, in D&D, only slightly fewer than 1 in 200 people have an 18 INT, I think it's safe to say that it can't correlate to an 180 IQ on this sort of contemporary measure.If you are basing your INT = IQ*10 claim on some older version of IQ which has been rejected or left behind by whatever contemporary persons take IQ seriously, then why should I take it seriously in my D&D game?And here's <a href="http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10192.aspx" target="_blank">another thing</a> I found to throw into the mix:This article by David Feldman presents the results of the author's follow-up study of those above 180 IQ in Terman's "Genetic Studies of Genius." The author reviewed the Terman files of all the subjects who scored at this level. He provides a short summary of educational and occupational attainments, then presents a qualitative analysis of the data. Abstract Although there are numerous studies of gifted students, there have been no studies following up the very high IQ students into adulthood. Using the Terman files, 26 subjects with scores above 180 IQ were compared with 26 randomly selected subjects from Terman's sample. Findings were generally that the extra IQ points made little difference and that extremely high IQ does not seem to indicate "genius" in the commonly understood sense of the word. The arithmetical distance between "average" and "genius" on an IQ test is about 40-50 points. A score of 100 is usually interpreted as average, while a score of 140 or above is usually regarded as being in the "genius range." Although there have been numerous studies and follow-ups of high-IQ subjects (Goleman, 1980), including those who have scored 140 and above, there have been almost no studies of those who score still higher on IQ tests.What limits or requirement to you put on the roleplaying of high-INT PCs? If the player of an 18 or 20 INT wizard is of only average intelligence, and plays his/her PC to no more than the best of his/her intellectual ability, what do you (as a GM) do? Rag him/her for bad roleplaying? Take over the character, or turn the character into an NPC?And how do you judge the difference between (say) 14 INT and 18 INT? What if the player is playing his/her PC as if s/he had 140 IQ when, to really be RPing properly, s/he should be playing the PC as having 180 IQ?</blockquote>

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