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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 6845821" data-attributes="member: 16814">The difference is 'can a PC physically turn the dial to a random location?' vs. "can the PC figure out which spot on the dial will solve the puzzle?"  The answer to the first question is, "clearly, in this case, yes."  The answer to the second is, "maybe, needs a roll."  This isn't a case of 'turn a dial randomly' being the same as 'turn the dial to a specific point."  The question has never been if the PC is physically capable, the question, for me, was is the PC mentally capable of identifying the answer.  Of course, if he can, there's no problem turning the dial, but the step of determining the answer is in doubt, and it's not incorrect to question the method of arriving at it and/or calling for a roll to see if it's correct.Now, to say this again, the vast majority of the time I wouldn't blink at this and just let it go.  My second possibility would be to look askance and have a word with the player after the game about the meaning of his choices and my expectations in game about honoring those choices.  The third option would be to ask for the INT check to see if the declared answer is correct.  This would be rarely invoked, and only in a case where I had done the second at least once previously with that player and in the face of a continued behavior to play around the PC's chosen limitations.  I certainly wouldn't ask for the check all the time.Now, I don't usually have this problem at all, because my current players and the groups I've played with before wouldn't normally act in the way Iserth presented.  Further, I avoid puzzles that have answered so easily guessed out of character, so this also isn't something that I'd actually deal with.  So my answers are hypothetical within the narrow corner case identified by Iserth, and are as complete as I can make them, and presented honestly to the best of my ability.  If anyone thinks that I'm intentionally evading the answer, they're wrong, but I would be very curious to hear from them why they think I would evade and what I would gain from doing so.</blockquote>

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