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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 6850772" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I stated that Sherlock Holmes has at least an above average intelligence, and that a 5 INT represents a below average intelligence, therefore Sherlock Holmes cannot have a 5 INT. This logically sound. One must attack and show that the premises of this argument are false to show the conclusion false. </p><p></p><p>Instead, you have created a scenario in which a 5 INT character can, rarely, achieve a great deed of investigation. This doesn't address either of the premises of my argument. You've violated those premises to even present your argument.</p><p></p><p>As, as for the DC you set, you've set the level of that great deed just at the maximum possible number achievable by that 5 INT character, which is suspiciously fortuitous for your argument. When asked, you state that you state that you don't think he did anything warranting moving into the next difficulty class of 'nearly impossible' because, I gather, of reasons. I plainly think that you must assume that Sherlock did nothing nearly impossible because that would invalidate your argument if he had. But this is a flawed argument as well, as your very construct, with a mere bump to a 6 INT, is just as likely to do something nearly impossible as your 5 INT construct is to do something almost nearly impossible. Given that a 20 INT construct can easily surpass feats of difficulty far in excess of the boundry of 'nearly impossible' you are arguing that the feats actually achieved by Sherlock Holmes are accomplished by smart men with training (positive INT modifier, expertise in investigation, at least level 5), and exceeded often by very smart men with much training (+3 or greater INT modifier, expertise in investigation, level 10 or greater). You've invented a world in which Sherlock Holmes, the greatest detective ever, isn't noteworthy compared to the others of his class. This fails to even capture the essence of Sherlock Holmes, meaning that whatever you've invented, it's not Sherlock Holmes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unless you postulate that your character rolls an uncanny sequences of 20's, yes, it does make a differ</p><p></p><p>An interesting question. Conan Doyle didn't write about them. Perhaps some other author could write a story about a super-sleuth who does the apparently impossible and outsmarts Sherlock Holmes? Perhaps someone already has; I wouldn't necessarily know.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Sherlock is described in ACD's stories as one of the most intelligent men alive, if not the most intelligent. Watson routine describes Sherlock in terms that makes it clear that Sherlock isn't a middling detective amongst other, more successful detectives, but is one of if not the greatest detectives alive. So, yes, ACD does mention all of the other fantastic detectives -- he mentions that Sherlock is better than they are, and that the gulf between them is vast.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 6850772, member: 16814"] I stated that Sherlock Holmes has at least an above average intelligence, and that a 5 INT represents a below average intelligence, therefore Sherlock Holmes cannot have a 5 INT. This logically sound. One must attack and show that the premises of this argument are false to show the conclusion false. Instead, you have created a scenario in which a 5 INT character can, rarely, achieve a great deed of investigation. This doesn't address either of the premises of my argument. You've violated those premises to even present your argument. As, as for the DC you set, you've set the level of that great deed just at the maximum possible number achievable by that 5 INT character, which is suspiciously fortuitous for your argument. When asked, you state that you state that you don't think he did anything warranting moving into the next difficulty class of 'nearly impossible' because, I gather, of reasons. I plainly think that you must assume that Sherlock did nothing nearly impossible because that would invalidate your argument if he had. But this is a flawed argument as well, as your very construct, with a mere bump to a 6 INT, is just as likely to do something nearly impossible as your 5 INT construct is to do something almost nearly impossible. Given that a 20 INT construct can easily surpass feats of difficulty far in excess of the boundry of 'nearly impossible' you are arguing that the feats actually achieved by Sherlock Holmes are accomplished by smart men with training (positive INT modifier, expertise in investigation, at least level 5), and exceeded often by very smart men with much training (+3 or greater INT modifier, expertise in investigation, level 10 or greater). You've invented a world in which Sherlock Holmes, the greatest detective ever, isn't noteworthy compared to the others of his class. This fails to even capture the essence of Sherlock Holmes, meaning that whatever you've invented, it's not Sherlock Holmes. Unless you postulate that your character rolls an uncanny sequences of 20's, yes, it does make a differ An interesting question. Conan Doyle didn't write about them. Perhaps some other author could write a story about a super-sleuth who does the apparently impossible and outsmarts Sherlock Holmes? Perhaps someone already has; I wouldn't necessarily know.[/QUOTE] Sherlock is described in ACD's stories as one of the most intelligent men alive, if not the most intelligent. Watson routine describes Sherlock in terms that makes it clear that Sherlock isn't a middling detective amongst other, more successful detectives, but is one of if not the greatest detectives alive. So, yes, ACD does mention all of the other fantastic detectives -- he mentions that Sherlock is better than they are, and that the gulf between them is vast. [/QUOTE]
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