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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6857288" data-attributes="member: 23751">Everyone in this thread who is talking about a Holmes in D&D is modelling Holmes.  If you aren't modelling Holmes, then you have no Holmes like PC in D&D.The answer is absolutely no.  It takes more than solving more things than the people around you to be Holmes.  You also have to do it to the level of Holmes himself, which is only the very pinnacle of skill and intelligence. If you are creating in D&D a character from outside of D&D, you are modelling that character.  Which is why in addition to an 18-20 int, you need all those other additions that the 5 int Holmes wannabe has in order to make a Holmes like PC.If you aren't modelling Holmes, you aren't building an NPC that is Holme-like in ability.  You are making one that is inferior.It means that he's not the best.  Period.  Others in the world are better, even if not encountered.It means that Holmes in the stories is the best with both intelligence and skill at solving things.  To be the best at that in D&D, you need a 20 int plus all the extras.  That's the only way to be the best.No.  We were talking about objectively proving that 5 is below average and 18 is higher than average.  Holmes became the poster child by showing that you could not make a Holmes in D&D with a 5 int.  He would have to have an 18+.  It was not about having a character turn out to be Holmes like, but even if it was, that PC would still fail if he didn't have an 18+ int and all the extras.  He would be the best locally, but he would not be Holmes-like since he is not the best there is.</blockquote>

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