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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6305279" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>I'm not going to argue, but I disagree, the D&D hobby is fractured and the whole RPG hobby is dieing... we just have to disagree here.</p><p></p><p> so that story of a paizo guy playing and disliking 4e was what propaganda in the edition war? I thought they were the 'true soul of D&D', or are you admitting this was all about money?</p><p></p><p> maybe... but 4e wasn't as dramatic as people like to pretend.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>It allowed a rival to cash in on the edition war (making it worse then ever in the process) and basicly take 10ish years of wotc hard work and cash in on it... love pathfinder or hate it, it is still a series of codified house rules (some ok, some great, some terrible) for the system someone else made.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>or just to remind you that narrative is very biased, WotC tried to grow the brand and move the game forward correcting large issues(lfqw,outdated rules) complained about by a large amount of there fans. They tried to make the game better, and in the process leaped before they looked because they as RPG FANS where excited to get out a game they thought would be the next great edition of the best fantasy rpg in history, and the GSL fell behind because as gamers they were more focused ont he game. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe the biggest mistake WotC made is one I am very familiar with, thinking that people are basically going to be friendly and keep moving and not take an opportunity and cause a huge wedge in the community...</p><p></p><p></p><p>if you asked me in 2005 at gen con what I thought was the friendliest place for RPGs if I could imagine a few years later players in MCdonalds Berating other players for playing the wrong version of D&D I would have laughed... then I saw it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6305279, member: 67338"] I'm not going to argue, but I disagree, the D&D hobby is fractured and the whole RPG hobby is dieing... we just have to disagree here. so that story of a paizo guy playing and disliking 4e was what propaganda in the edition war? I thought they were the 'true soul of D&D', or are you admitting this was all about money? maybe... but 4e wasn't as dramatic as people like to pretend. It allowed a rival to cash in on the edition war (making it worse then ever in the process) and basicly take 10ish years of wotc hard work and cash in on it... love pathfinder or hate it, it is still a series of codified house rules (some ok, some great, some terrible) for the system someone else made. or just to remind you that narrative is very biased, WotC tried to grow the brand and move the game forward correcting large issues(lfqw,outdated rules) complained about by a large amount of there fans. They tried to make the game better, and in the process leaped before they looked because they as RPG FANS where excited to get out a game they thought would be the next great edition of the best fantasy rpg in history, and the GSL fell behind because as gamers they were more focused ont he game. I believe the biggest mistake WotC made is one I am very familiar with, thinking that people are basically going to be friendly and keep moving and not take an opportunity and cause a huge wedge in the community... if you asked me in 2005 at gen con what I thought was the friendliest place for RPGs if I could imagine a few years later players in MCdonalds Berating other players for playing the wrong version of D&D I would have laughed... then I saw it. [/QUOTE]
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