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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6305339" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>Forgive me for saying this, but it was a huge deal. 4e is a great game, but it cannot be compared to the toolbox quality 3.5 gives. Meachanic-flavor dissociation is such a drastic paradigm change from the previous editions. Extreme hardcoding of archetypes meant the removal of lots and lots of character concepts that forever will be impossible to make under 4e but were fairly easy to do in 3.5 Where is Greyhawk? where is the Great wheel? what happened to the non-warring deities? Where did the Aasimar go? What happened to stone-age, bronze -age and futuristic campaigns? what happened to non-combatants? What happened with all of the worldbuilding stuff? A core-core comparation leads to the conclusion that 4e was less worldbuilding, more fighting. To date I refuse to play on a core-only 4e game, but gladly play on a core-only 2e, or 3e, or 3.5 game. Now I know 4e is extremely hackable, but it came wrapped on lots of "don't touch" warnings that discouraged many DM's from doing so. previous editions came with lots and lots of optional rules encouraging the DM to customize the game, so 4e was really a huge departure. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>A rival that only one year before was WoTC biggest cheerleader and got marginalized by the change in direction. Had they extended Paizo a good license right away when they took the magazines from them and enough advanced information so they didn't have to rely on a single designer's opinion in a public event about a new game they knew nothing about while nearing the deadline for the event that represented a huge part of their income, it would have been another story. The OGL was the weapon, but Wotc gave Paizo both the motive and opportunity to use that weapon. Go ahead, put a loaded gun on the table while telling your live-in girlfriend of many years that you are leaving her to marry someone else, emptied your shared bank account and posted indecent pictures of her in the internet and then turn your back at her. When she shoots you in the back, was it the gun's fault? Or your fault by pissing her off and turning your back at her expecting her to bow down and beg you not to leave while leaving a loaded gun easily accessible in a visible place?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Corrected that for you</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6305339, member: 6689464"] Forgive me for saying this, but it was a huge deal. 4e is a great game, but it cannot be compared to the toolbox quality 3.5 gives. Meachanic-flavor dissociation is such a drastic paradigm change from the previous editions. Extreme hardcoding of archetypes meant the removal of lots and lots of character concepts that forever will be impossible to make under 4e but were fairly easy to do in 3.5 Where is Greyhawk? where is the Great wheel? what happened to the non-warring deities? Where did the Aasimar go? What happened to stone-age, bronze -age and futuristic campaigns? what happened to non-combatants? What happened with all of the worldbuilding stuff? A core-core comparation leads to the conclusion that 4e was less worldbuilding, more fighting. To date I refuse to play on a core-only 4e game, but gladly play on a core-only 2e, or 3e, or 3.5 game. Now I know 4e is extremely hackable, but it came wrapped on lots of "don't touch" warnings that discouraged many DM's from doing so. previous editions came with lots and lots of optional rules encouraging the DM to customize the game, so 4e was really a huge departure. A rival that only one year before was WoTC biggest cheerleader and got marginalized by the change in direction. Had they extended Paizo a good license right away when they took the magazines from them and enough advanced information so they didn't have to rely on a single designer's opinion in a public event about a new game they knew nothing about while nearing the deadline for the event that represented a huge part of their income, it would have been another story. The OGL was the weapon, but Wotc gave Paizo both the motive and opportunity to use that weapon. Go ahead, put a loaded gun on the table while telling your live-in girlfriend of many years that you are leaving her to marry someone else, emptied your shared bank account and posted indecent pictures of her in the internet and then turn your back at her. When she shoots you in the back, was it the gun's fault? Or your fault by pissing her off and turning your back at her expecting her to bow down and beg you not to leave while leaving a loaded gun easily accessible in a visible place? Corrected that for you [/QUOTE]
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