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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6305357" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Ok, then how about this character (only phb involved, and UA for the illiterateness, but that little detail can be easily ignored)A weak, sickly, somewhat dizzy and very illiterate gnome sorceress, who barely knows anything about adventuring and only adventures to help a friend with her everyday magic which comes only from within herself without any external source or requirement, since her magic is a reflection of her soul, she doesn't know any single offensive spell. In fact she looks like a misplaced commoner among the group but still manages tobe helpful despite not having any offensive capabiltiy of any kind.Go ahead, make her with only the 4e PHB1...(If it involves heavy refluffing and mechanical dissociation, that is already a dramatic departure in style, which is the point I'm trying to make). Which while pretty cool, is just not quite the same. Devas don't have parents, or a childhood, or are looking forward to form bonds. Again with heavy refluffing, Yes Dark sun is great but it isn't really sword and sandal, and this wasn't in the DMG as options.  This is something that borders on badwrongfun, for people like me it is important to have combat stats for non-combatants in the case they get involved in combat anyway -not to mention non-combatant PCs which are something I'm personally focused on-, and there is more to stats than just combat stats.  I had those when 4e came, and many players had them too, or Pathfinder would have found no customers. You can't just dismiss those.But you can't hardly blame her. If she wasn't betrayed and left down in such a brutal way in front of a loaded gun, she wouldn't have fired any shot. It was a perfect storm. Sorry, on hindsight it was uncalled for. But it is a huge grey area we are talking here. Not everybody saw LFQW as a huge deal -or a deal at all-, and not everybody happy with the set-up were powergaming munchkins. This is a huge YMMV thing. Playstyles are very diverse, one player's brokeness was another player's flexibility, one player's balance is another's straightjacket. And don't talk to me as if I had something against WotC, there is a fat pack box sitting in my bookcase, I don't like pathfinder, I took part in the palytest and looking forward to 5e release, and I don't mind playing an out of print game RAW. Heck I even like 4e, a lot, but as I was telling you I also like 2e and 3.5 and they supported playstyles that 4e just don't.</blockquote>

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