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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6381559" data-attributes="member: 2525">What he said was, &quot;there is a load of evidence that being absolutely open with the OGL (and Paizo is far more open than they need to be) has been nothing but an absolute boon for Paizo and Pathfinder.&quot;Paizo was dong well before they were an OGL company as well, when they were a licensee of WOTC (direct license, not OGL).&nbsp; All the employees have a history of doing well int he RPG industry even without an OGL.&nbsp; There is no evidence that, had there been no OGL, that Paizo would not have done something that was just as popular as what they are doing right now.&nbsp; They are competent people, with a lot of experience, a lot of exposure, and they were all those things before they became a primarily OGL company.&nbsp; Indeed, they still produce a lot of products that are not related to the OGL.&nbsp; I've used their initiative tracker quite a few times, and that is not an OGL product.Where is your evidence that, but-for the OGL, Paizo would not be doing well as a company? Saying they are doing well with the OGL is not proof that they would not have done just as well without the OGL as a company. Show me this supposed ton of evidence that it's the &quot;being open&quot; that's the reason Paizo has done well, instead of the, &quot;being a bunch of highly experienced and smart RPG designers and marketers&quot; is the reason.&nbsp; If there is a &quot;ton of evidence&quot; like he said, then there sure should be more than merely speculation based on a correlation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6381559, member: 2525"] What he said was, "there is a load of evidence that being absolutely open with the OGL (and Paizo is far more open than they need to be) has been nothing but an absolute boon for Paizo and Pathfinder." Paizo was dong well before they were an OGL company as well, when they were a licensee of WOTC (direct license, not OGL). All the employees have a history of doing well int he RPG industry even without an OGL. There is no evidence that, had there been no OGL, that Paizo would not have done something that was just as popular as what they are doing right now. They are competent people, with a lot of experience, a lot of exposure, and they were all those things before they became a primarily OGL company. Indeed, they still produce a lot of products that are not related to the OGL. I've used their initiative tracker quite a few times, and that is not an OGL product. Where is your evidence that, but-for the OGL, Paizo would not be doing well as a company? Saying they are doing well with the OGL is not proof that they would not have done just as well without the OGL as a company. Show me this supposed ton of evidence that it's the "being open" that's the reason Paizo has done well, instead of the, "being a bunch of highly experienced and smart RPG designers and marketers" is the reason. If there is a "ton of evidence" like he said, then there sure should be more than merely speculation based on a correlation. [/QUOTE]

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