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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6456221" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>Ironicly enough the BoEF is a lesser example in my mind (although it is the one known to piss off wotc) my thing is that SOMEONE controlling quality is good, and free for all is bad... fo me in particular, for the game as a whole, and for WotC... </p><p></p><p> could not agree more, infact some of there spells may get hombrew updated in my worlds...</p><p></p><p></p><p> I think BOTH BoVD and BoED get a bad wrap, there is good and bad, but light years ahead of Mongoose publishing, and better then some sword and sorcery stuff...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>only in so far as to how they sell them..</p><p></p><p> I will admit that may be annoying, but I wish someone had told other publishers that having a feat that increased the AoE of an attack spell to 1 mile, or that a 3rd level ranger spell that enhanced arrows to deal +1d6 per 2 caster levels of lighting damage needed a duration less then perment until fired, or that someone explained that a spell that is magic missle but requires a touch attack and has +1 missle and no cap on missle # is broken...I wish someone told some one that metamagic feats that 'lace' damage types into spells for free were a problem...</p><p></p><p>game I ran, the lighting arrow thing came up, and the PC took weeks of down time casting and had dozens of longbow arrows that did 1d8+x+4d6 damage</p><p></p><p>game I played in, someone else took the magic missle spell from above, was an arcane trickster (so seak attack) then took the lace spell thing from the other book... so with 11 caster level was doing 7 missle, each was a touch attack that dealt 1d4+1 fire damge +1d6 Acid damage and he could sneak attack (I think it was +3 or 4d6) so his 1 first level spell would be 7d4+7+28d6... </p><p></p><p>The game I came into with a new group that switched from "ANy book" to "Core+ Complete WotC only" had a story about a 9+ crit range character with a x4 crit and dealing +X extra dice on a crit with multi attacks in around by combing books, I don't know details but that + some 3rd party spell got that nixed right before I showed up...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6456221, member: 67338"] Ironicly enough the BoEF is a lesser example in my mind (although it is the one known to piss off wotc) my thing is that SOMEONE controlling quality is good, and free for all is bad... fo me in particular, for the game as a whole, and for WotC... could not agree more, infact some of there spells may get hombrew updated in my worlds... I think BOTH BoVD and BoED get a bad wrap, there is good and bad, but light years ahead of Mongoose publishing, and better then some sword and sorcery stuff... only in so far as to how they sell them.. I will admit that may be annoying, but I wish someone had told other publishers that having a feat that increased the AoE of an attack spell to 1 mile, or that a 3rd level ranger spell that enhanced arrows to deal +1d6 per 2 caster levels of lighting damage needed a duration less then perment until fired, or that someone explained that a spell that is magic missle but requires a touch attack and has +1 missle and no cap on missle # is broken...I wish someone told some one that metamagic feats that 'lace' damage types into spells for free were a problem... game I ran, the lighting arrow thing came up, and the PC took weeks of down time casting and had dozens of longbow arrows that did 1d8+x+4d6 damage game I played in, someone else took the magic missle spell from above, was an arcane trickster (so seak attack) then took the lace spell thing from the other book... so with 11 caster level was doing 7 missle, each was a touch attack that dealt 1d4+1 fire damge +1d6 Acid damage and he could sneak attack (I think it was +3 or 4d6) so his 1 first level spell would be 7d4+7+28d6... The game I came into with a new group that switched from "ANy book" to "Core+ Complete WotC only" had a story about a 9+ crit range character with a x4 crit and dealing +X extra dice on a crit with multi attacks in around by combing books, I don't know details but that + some 3rd party spell got that nixed right before I showed up... [/QUOTE]
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