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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6627030" data-attributes="member: 67338">well they could have kept going with 3e. they could come up with there own game. they could wait for 4e stuff. they could fan the flames of the edition war then pretend to be the innocent victim... I mean there was some choice... sure they could, it would have slowed them down a bit... but they could have finished there 3.5 one then moved the next to 4e.yup here it comes... poor piazo horrable wotc took there stuff...the funny part is you quote part of my argument...yup... live by the sword die by the sword that was a BIG flaw in the OGL. yup they chose to improve the game instead of keeping it the same...yea, look at how wotc took away... wait what? my problem is wotc didn't take anything away... I don't see the diffrence why they already are putting out books to put 3e wotc to shame... you know that tactic people called a money grab...sigh... ok I'll do this again...there are innovator, early adaptors, follower, something else something else... basicly 5 stages of moveing on to new things the important ones are stages 2 and 3 being the biggest.  Pathfinder did something no D&D had done before, by fanning the edition wars it broke the cycle. [CODE][QUOTE]As for Paizo's reputation.... well, they do have a [I]lot[/I] of fanboys. But they earned that reputation. [/QUOTE]yea, the most rabid fan boys I have seen outside of football... did I ever tell you about the guy who made my friend ross want to cry because at Gen con we had the wrong book in our hands.... yea not a great moment in gameing history...[QUOTE]When Paizo started the stuff in [I]Dragon[/I] was kinda sorta official but it wasn't legal in Living Greyhawk and would never be referenced in official books. It was official in name only. They basically became a 3rd Party Publisher handing semi-official content. And they started in 2004 after the 3PP glut when everyone was wary of 3PP and the stores had been burned by the 3.0 to 3.5 changeover.[/QUOTE]yup I had some left on my subscription back then, but I was in the process of switching to getting it through my flgs (and comic shop)...[QUOTE]And yet Paizo built up a reputation and fanbase. Slowly with each product and product line. They earned a reputation for adventures and their Adventure Paths. They earned a reputation for listening to their fans. And they earned a reputation for producing quality product.[/QUOTE]except I just don't see it... they are the same people who worked for D&D years earlier... why is it when bob works for wotc "He is a mony grabing non gamer who doesn't listen" but if he gets laid off and goes to pathfinder "He is a great designer who listens to fans" it is insane how quick the reteric gets spun...[QUOTE]As for WotC's reputation, they earned that as well. WotC started as the great saviour of D&D. They released the well appreciated 3rd Edition and gave people as many planned 2e books as they could. And they defied expectations by not turning D&D into a collectible card game. [/QUOTE] maybe you were not around in 2000, or 2001 but wotc got a bad rep then too..[QUOTE]The books looked great, the production values were excellent, and the OGL made them loved by many. [/QUOTE]yea, and the 'evil corporate greed' was talked about even then...[QUOTE]WotC was very well respected. (Compared to T$R it was hard not to look good.) Since then this has changed dramatically. And WotC only has themselves to blame. While not all the hate is warranted, a fair amount is, and WotC has made their share of blunders.[/QUOTE]yea, see this is where I call BS... I heard someone else put it best... "Piazo could sell you air and be told they were great, wotc could put $100 bills in the $45 box set and people would complain about it being too large a bill"[QUOTE]Maybe.The OGL did great things for D&D in the early days.[/QUOTE] yup in early day (maybe first 3-4 years) it did help D&D but at the cost of other systems...even as early as 2003 you could see so many fewer new systems coming out as everyone did D20/[QUOTE]It allowed some great talent to make their mark and produce some content. Instead of generating competing content, for a time everyone was making products that funnelled sales and attention towards D&D. If not for the OGL, 3e might have attracted less attention and the talent pool interested in D&D would have instead been focused on making competing games and products. [/QUOTE]and in that compatiotn we might have gotten the next rifts, or shadowrun, or gurps...instead we got D20 stargate, and D20 Mutants and masterminds (the farther it gets from it's d20 roots the more I love that system)[QUOTE]After all, Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford, and Robert J. Schwab all owe their careers in part to the OGL.[/QUOTE] oh would that be the people that I hear are evil corporate shills all the time....[/CODE]</blockquote>

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