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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6638132" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>I have been operating under the assumption that English is your primary language. If it is not I apologize. </p><p></p><p>"Moving Goalposts" is a term used in arguments for one side shifting positions so that the refutations of the other side are never applicable. It has nothing to do with scoring points.</p><p></p><p>Your original post said </p><p></p><p>My assertion was that your criteria of no company ever making money off of the work of others was a rather bleak one. You just destroyed nearly every board game on the market, wiped out over 98% of the field of literature, shut the doors on every restaurant ever, destroyed the movie industry, closed down the car manufacturers, textile mills, dismantled the internet, etc. etc. </p><p></p><p>You then proclaimed the work of Paizo to be of a different category than all other derivative works (or most others) which I called "moving goalposts" on. </p><p></p><p>Again, if the phrase is new to you, or English is not your primary language, then I apologize for not being clearer.</p><p></p><p>Now, on to another important point that I really and truly and earnestly beg you to think on...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am really sorry that you and your friends had a fight. Over a game. During what should have been an enjoyable time. </p><p></p><p>But,... and here is the part you really need to consider,...</p><p></p><p>No company has the responsibility to make sure you don't have a fight with your friends.</p><p></p><p>That's it. In a nutshell. You are blaming others for the immaturity of either yourself or your friends and that is simply wrong on your part.</p><p></p><p>In essence, you are mad at Paizo for producing a product that other people preferred more than the product you preferred. But that's both childish and selfish on your part. A company has every right to produce the very best product they can and if that product attracts customers then the company is doing good. It is irrelevant that someone, somewhere might fight over whether they prefer one product or the other. The fight is not the fault of the producers - it is the fault of the ones doing the fighting. </p><p></p><p>Moreover, Paizo did not attract their fans after the production of 4e. They attracted a solid base well before 4e came out from both their stint as magazine producers and through their Rise of the Runelord AP. Many of us were on record as being willing to go to whichever gamesystem Paizo used because we liked their adventures. There was nothing malicious about it. It was not a choice made out of ire at WotC. It was simply a preference for the products of one company over the products of another, and Paizo won some of us simply because WotC stopped producing material we wanted sometime during the life cycle of 3e. We, as consumers made a choice. Which is how the market works. It is rather silly to start talking about one company doing "HARM" to the industry because they produced a superior product (in the eyes of some) to another company. Generally, in economics, a superior product is not "WRONG," rather it is "desirable."</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And seeing how Morrus is getting ired, this will be my last post along these lines.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 6638132, member: 221"] I have been operating under the assumption that English is your primary language. If it is not I apologize. "Moving Goalposts" is a term used in arguments for one side shifting positions so that the refutations of the other side are never applicable. It has nothing to do with scoring points. Your original post said My assertion was that your criteria of no company ever making money off of the work of others was a rather bleak one. You just destroyed nearly every board game on the market, wiped out over 98% of the field of literature, shut the doors on every restaurant ever, destroyed the movie industry, closed down the car manufacturers, textile mills, dismantled the internet, etc. etc. You then proclaimed the work of Paizo to be of a different category than all other derivative works (or most others) which I called "moving goalposts" on. Again, if the phrase is new to you, or English is not your primary language, then I apologize for not being clearer. Now, on to another important point that I really and truly and earnestly beg you to think on... I am really sorry that you and your friends had a fight. Over a game. During what should have been an enjoyable time. But,... and here is the part you really need to consider,... No company has the responsibility to make sure you don't have a fight with your friends. That's it. In a nutshell. You are blaming others for the immaturity of either yourself or your friends and that is simply wrong on your part. In essence, you are mad at Paizo for producing a product that other people preferred more than the product you preferred. But that's both childish and selfish on your part. A company has every right to produce the very best product they can and if that product attracts customers then the company is doing good. It is irrelevant that someone, somewhere might fight over whether they prefer one product or the other. The fight is not the fault of the producers - it is the fault of the ones doing the fighting. Moreover, Paizo did not attract their fans after the production of 4e. They attracted a solid base well before 4e came out from both their stint as magazine producers and through their Rise of the Runelord AP. Many of us were on record as being willing to go to whichever gamesystem Paizo used because we liked their adventures. There was nothing malicious about it. It was not a choice made out of ire at WotC. It was simply a preference for the products of one company over the products of another, and Paizo won some of us simply because WotC stopped producing material we wanted sometime during the life cycle of 3e. We, as consumers made a choice. Which is how the market works. It is rather silly to start talking about one company doing "HARM" to the industry because they produced a superior product (in the eyes of some) to another company. Generally, in economics, a superior product is not "WRONG," rather it is "desirable." EDIT: And seeing how Morrus is getting ired, this will be my last post along these lines. [/QUOTE]
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