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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 5520267" data-attributes="member: 5038">I see nothing distinctly D&D about them.  II like them. I just see nothing heroic about characters that make pacts with the infernal or far realm entities- in my opinion they are more appropriate adversaries.</blockquote>8. Ignore Savage Worlds for design ideas; SW is far too simple in design for my tastes.[/quote]I thought the same, initially.  However, it is deceptive. Backgrounds and Common Knowledge.  It is discussed under knowledge skill for things characters might know without taking a skill.  However, Common knowledge can also be used for things like weapon familiariy  (e.g., think of the Shindig episode of Firefly when Mal tries to duel with swords) and cultural weaponsCombat Simple?  In addition to the maneuvers, you have Agility Tricks, Smart Tricks, Test of Wills. Here are some examples of what you can doCalled Shots for various effects that d20 requires feats or powers Charge: Run and Attack (possibly w/ Wild Swing)Disarm: Maneuver described in the bookFeint: Taunt in combat to gain bonus and, if target shaken you have increased chance of extra damage and they may lose action.Grappling: Maneuver described in the bookPush/Trip: Depending on what you are trying to to do a) Agility Trick, b) opposed strength; c) Attack and, on a raise, give up extra damage to move opponent back 1" or fall prone; d) or this new maneuver from the Savage Worlds Brand Manager <a href="http://www.peginc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=223650#223650" target="_blank">push/Trip maneuver</a> to push/pull/knock prone opponentsSunder: Called Shot vs. WeaponPower Attack: look at Wild SwingActually, the majority of the default pantheon in the 3e PHB, Complete Divine and other Complete books date back to the  Greyhawk, Non Human and Suel pantheons that first appeared in Dragon magazine between issues 59-76 and and created by Gary Gygax, Roger Moore, and Len Lakofka respectively.As for 4e,  most of the default deities are not newly created for 4e.Bane: Forgotten RealmsBahumut: goes back to 1eTiamat: goes back to 1eGruumsh: Non Human deity first appeared in DragonLolth: goes back to 1eKord: Suel deity from 1e era Dragon MagazineMoradin: Nonhuman deities first appeared in Dragon during 1eObad hai: Greyhawk deity (goes back to 1e Dragon Magazine)Pelor: Greyhawk deity (goes back to 1e Dragon)Rao: goes back to 1e Greyhawk and was created by Gary GygaxSehanine Moonbow: AD&D 2e Monster MythologyVecna: another Greyhawk being created by Gygax back in 1e[/QUOTE]

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