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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5520823" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>Just as a note, a Scroll of Water Breathing is a single-use consumable that lets anyone cast Water Breathing. That's the entire point of ritual scrolls - anyone can use them, they are consumables that allow a single casting of the ritual without actual Ritual Training. You pay your 815 gp (a tad more than the 750 gp of a 3.5 Potion of Water Breathing, though admittedly the economies of each system scale differently). And the Fighter can go exploring off on his own - he might still have to convince the group to let him go, but that is really tied to party and DM, not edition or even system. </p><p> </p><p>Now, I'm sure some of your concerns still apply - the casting time remains an obstacle to doing so quite as casually. But 10 minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if the group is taking any sort of short rest, which already represents an investment of half that time already. </p><p> </p><p>Anyway, not trying to dismiss your concerns at all! But did want to mention that consumables to do some of these effects exist. That's what ritual scrolls are. And other spells and utilities can be occasionally found in the form of Wands and other magic items. </p><p> </p><p>It doesn't solve the dilemma entirely, but depending on how you handle item distribution and loot, some solutions are there to an extent already.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5520823, member: 61155"] Just as a note, a Scroll of Water Breathing is a single-use consumable that lets anyone cast Water Breathing. That's the entire point of ritual scrolls - anyone can use them, they are consumables that allow a single casting of the ritual without actual Ritual Training. You pay your 815 gp (a tad more than the 750 gp of a 3.5 Potion of Water Breathing, though admittedly the economies of each system scale differently). And the Fighter can go exploring off on his own - he might still have to convince the group to let him go, but that is really tied to party and DM, not edition or even system. Now, I'm sure some of your concerns still apply - the casting time remains an obstacle to doing so quite as casually. But 10 minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if the group is taking any sort of short rest, which already represents an investment of half that time already. Anyway, not trying to dismiss your concerns at all! But did want to mention that consumables to do some of these effects exist. That's what ritual scrolls are. And other spells and utilities can be occasionally found in the form of Wands and other magic items. It doesn't solve the dilemma entirely, but depending on how you handle item distribution and loot, some solutions are there to an extent already. [/QUOTE]
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