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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5521207" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Although this is an option, I don't see this as anywhere near a viable economic solution to the issue.</p><p></p><p>I agree that it is difficult to compare the two different economic systems. 815 GP is more expensive than a 14th level 4E consumable or potion or about the same cost as a 4th level normal item. In 3.5 costs, the 750 GP was a little over 1/3 the cost of a +1 magic weapon, not over twice the cost of a +1 magic weapon. And of course, the scroll version in 3.5 was half of the potion cost, even cheaper. </p><p></p><p>But the ritual scroll takes 5 minutes to cast. It is not a consumable or potion level time frame, so using it while drowning is out of the question. So, that's a limitation that takes this completely out of the "in combat" or "emergency" time frame (the main downside of ritual scrolls in 4E, they can't be used in time critical emergencies and PCs have to rely on only powers then).</p><p></p><p>Granted, the ritual scroll affects multiple PCs so it has more utility, But, that's overkill for a PC just going to check something out.</p><p></p><p>I really don't see a DM handing out this ritual scroll too much earlier than Paragon too often which means that PCs cannot, shy of a major expense, do any sort of underwater reconnaissance or adventures until almost Paragon. An entire party could save up most of party gold for an entire level at level 2 (or a single PC for most of a level at level 7) and get one such scroll, but that's an awful large chunk of party or PC wealth, just to go exploring for a few hours.</p><p></p><p>By the time this ritual scroll becomes a relatively inexpensive solution, the equivalent of a potion that players don't mind sucking down, we're talking mid-Paragon or later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5521207, member: 2011"] Although this is an option, I don't see this as anywhere near a viable economic solution to the issue. I agree that it is difficult to compare the two different economic systems. 815 GP is more expensive than a 14th level 4E consumable or potion or about the same cost as a 4th level normal item. In 3.5 costs, the 750 GP was a little over 1/3 the cost of a +1 magic weapon, not over twice the cost of a +1 magic weapon. And of course, the scroll version in 3.5 was half of the potion cost, even cheaper. But the ritual scroll takes 5 minutes to cast. It is not a consumable or potion level time frame, so using it while drowning is out of the question. So, that's a limitation that takes this completely out of the "in combat" or "emergency" time frame (the main downside of ritual scrolls in 4E, they can't be used in time critical emergencies and PCs have to rely on only powers then). Granted, the ritual scroll affects multiple PCs so it has more utility, But, that's overkill for a PC just going to check something out. I really don't see a DM handing out this ritual scroll too much earlier than Paragon too often which means that PCs cannot, shy of a major expense, do any sort of underwater reconnaissance or adventures until almost Paragon. An entire party could save up most of party gold for an entire level at level 2 (or a single PC for most of a level at level 7) and get one such scroll, but that's an awful large chunk of party or PC wealth, just to go exploring for a few hours. By the time this ritual scroll becomes a relatively inexpensive solution, the equivalent of a potion that players don't mind sucking down, we're talking mid-Paragon or later. [/QUOTE]
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