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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4749560" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>All we have to go on is:</p><p></p><p>1) WotC claimed pre-release that the sweet spot was the same for all levels. This was listed as a design goal. Hence, since this is not true, it appears that WotC is now adjusting for the sweet spot with feats.</p><p></p><p>2) Many players do not like getting hit on a 2 or only hitting on a 16. It feels wrong.</p><p></p><p>From that, it appears that the burden of proof is for those who claim that the sweet spot should no longer exist at Epic level due to the plethora of PC abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, the counter claim appears to be: Sweet spot? What sweet spot? The rules do not discuss a sweet spot, so although the WotC designers talked about it for months pre-4E release, it doesn't have to exist. Uh huh.</p><p></p><p>My reponse. Prove it. Prove that the original design goals are not still the design goals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When I think Epic combat encounters, I think Tiamat, Vecna, even wimpy Orcus.</p><p></p><p>30th level demigod PCs get hit very very easily by these "deities".</p><p></p><p>One thing you keep discussing is that "a party's opportunity to deal with inconveniences is much greater at level 30 than it is at level 1".</p><p></p><p>Of course it is.</p><p></p><p>What you keep failing to discuss is that "a monster's opportunity to deal with inconveniences is much greater at level 30+ than it is at level 1".</p><p></p><p>I look at Tiamat and think: "Heck, she hits so often and so easily that I cannot even dream of having her consorts with her".</p><p></p><p>Her Aura alone does 25 points of damage per round in a range of 10 and is mostly unstopable. How the heck can I use her if she hits 30th level PCs on a 2 with 2 of her 5 heads and hits on a 6 with her other 3 heads? She's easily doing 75+ points of damage per round versus multiple PCs who have 175 to 200+ hit points and debuffing them as well.</p><p></p><p>Sure, the PCs can cure like mad or jump back up partially healed due to an Epic ability or power, but they will run out eventually.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4749560, member: 2011"] All we have to go on is: 1) WotC claimed pre-release that the sweet spot was the same for all levels. This was listed as a design goal. Hence, since this is not true, it appears that WotC is now adjusting for the sweet spot with feats. 2) Many players do not like getting hit on a 2 or only hitting on a 16. It feels wrong. From that, it appears that the burden of proof is for those who claim that the sweet spot should no longer exist at Epic level due to the plethora of PC abilities. So, the counter claim appears to be: Sweet spot? What sweet spot? The rules do not discuss a sweet spot, so although the WotC designers talked about it for months pre-4E release, it doesn't have to exist. Uh huh. My reponse. Prove it. Prove that the original design goals are not still the design goals. When I think Epic combat encounters, I think Tiamat, Vecna, even wimpy Orcus. 30th level demigod PCs get hit very very easily by these "deities". One thing you keep discussing is that "a party's opportunity to deal with inconveniences is much greater at level 30 than it is at level 1". Of course it is. What you keep failing to discuss is that "a monster's opportunity to deal with inconveniences is much greater at level 30+ than it is at level 1". I look at Tiamat and think: "Heck, she hits so often and so easily that I cannot even dream of having her consorts with her". Her Aura alone does 25 points of damage per round in a range of 10 and is mostly unstopable. How the heck can I use her if she hits 30th level PCs on a 2 with 2 of her 5 heads and hits on a 6 with her other 3 heads? She's easily doing 75+ points of damage per round versus multiple PCs who have 175 to 200+ hit points and debuffing them as well. Sure, the PCs can cure like mad or jump back up partially healed due to an Epic ability or power, but they will run out eventually. [/QUOTE]
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