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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4752131" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>So, you're claiming that the feats are a fix, and -simultaneously- that the feats fix nothing?</p><p></p><p>Also, the reason I did brutes was because finding two different monsters with the same role and level at epic tier means you pick brutes. But putting that aside, every monster I tested had AC and FRW two points away from each other at the same level. You're claiming that this is not true--can you provide an example where two monsters of the same level and same role do -not- have AC attacks two points above FRW?</p><p></p><p>I've sat down, did the math. AC and FRW -are- two apart in my Monster Manual. You can dispute this only by providing a counter example. This argument is going -no where- with blanket declarations. Try some evidence. Try presenting a case using -facts-.</p><p></p><p>My theory, in truth, is simple. The FRW feats are designed to do two things: 1) Catch weaker FRW defenses up with stronger FRW defenses. 2) There's more feats boosting AC than FRW, but the AC boosting feats are of less magnitude. This is so that you -can- boost your non-AC defenses, should you choose. The same people who think AC-boosting feats are mandatory would find these feats valuable for -exactly the same reason-.</p><p></p><p>Now, regarding your 'FRW is 5 better, AC is 2 better' statement. As we've already established, the -actual- number is that FRW is 1-3 points off AC. 1-3 averages out to 2. Which means -any fix- would be in the +1-+3 range, wouldn't it? I mean, that's the -obvious- answer, fix it by the amount of disparity!</p><p></p><p>And what feats are in the +1-+3 range? The paragon boosts. The Epic feats are more to cover weaknesses you've borne up to that time.</p><p></p><p>I mean, you're assuming that the math is all based around all characters running around in Hide and/or Plate armor.... perhaps the game wasn't balanced around maximizing your AC all the time? Perhaps the disparity between FRW and AC is because <strong>when you minmax your AC, your AC is going to be higher than normal!</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4752131, member: 71571"] So, you're claiming that the feats are a fix, and -simultaneously- that the feats fix nothing? Also, the reason I did brutes was because finding two different monsters with the same role and level at epic tier means you pick brutes. But putting that aside, every monster I tested had AC and FRW two points away from each other at the same level. You're claiming that this is not true--can you provide an example where two monsters of the same level and same role do -not- have AC attacks two points above FRW? I've sat down, did the math. AC and FRW -are- two apart in my Monster Manual. You can dispute this only by providing a counter example. This argument is going -no where- with blanket declarations. Try some evidence. Try presenting a case using -facts-. My theory, in truth, is simple. The FRW feats are designed to do two things: 1) Catch weaker FRW defenses up with stronger FRW defenses. 2) There's more feats boosting AC than FRW, but the AC boosting feats are of less magnitude. This is so that you -can- boost your non-AC defenses, should you choose. The same people who think AC-boosting feats are mandatory would find these feats valuable for -exactly the same reason-. Now, regarding your 'FRW is 5 better, AC is 2 better' statement. As we've already established, the -actual- number is that FRW is 1-3 points off AC. 1-3 averages out to 2. Which means -any fix- would be in the +1-+3 range, wouldn't it? I mean, that's the -obvious- answer, fix it by the amount of disparity! And what feats are in the +1-+3 range? The paragon boosts. The Epic feats are more to cover weaknesses you've borne up to that time. I mean, you're assuming that the math is all based around all characters running around in Hide and/or Plate armor.... perhaps the game wasn't balanced around maximizing your AC all the time? Perhaps the disparity between FRW and AC is because [B]when you minmax your AC, your AC is going to be higher than normal![/B] [/QUOTE]
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