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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eprieur" data-source="post: 4754105" data-attributes="member: 81191">They already tell us in the DM guide what the "expected" balance is. When you design defenses AC is always 2 points higher then NAD defenses for most types. Soldiers have AC 4 pts higher then NAD and Brute and Artillery have lower AC equal to their nads.The basic NAD defense of every monster is lvl +12.For PCs it is actually more complicated but if you look at monsters again in the DM guide, you see they all have attacks that are 2 points higher for AC then NAD except for controllers who have 1 more atk vs NADS then the other roles.That's how you should balanced the monster. If you look at the platinum dragon you see exactly that.A lvl 21 soldier should have +28 atk vs AC and +26 atk vs NADs. (lvl +7).Then to that, NAD and AC attacks are lowered by 2 if you attack multiple creatures:*Reduce the attack bonus by 2 for powers that affect multiple creatures.Which give +26 vs NAD for single target attacks and +24 vs NAD for multiple target attacks for a lvl 21 soldier.This can only be remotely balanced if PC defenses are somewhat in the range of -2 for NAD vs AC. If this is not the case then balance failed. When you are in the range of NAD being 10 lower then AC it's in the range of broken. It's also totally mess with the balance in the monster manual. Like some other people mentionned, any monster that target NAD instead of AC will be greatly overpowered vs their counterpart that target ACs even if the DM guide tells us that they should be somewhat balanced.</blockquote>

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