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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4757397" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>What does he need the Wisdom and Dexterity for? Let's use a lick of sense here. He needs Wisdom for Thunderwave/Orb and Dex for Wand. If he's not in Wand, he needs it for exactly 0 powers. Wisdom is used on one power, and only needs to be pushed to the limit for one build... a push of 2 squares is -just fine- at heroic.</p><p></p><p>And then he put 12 into Constitution, because that's defense, but he's decided he doesn't want his actual -defense-.... again. Cognitive dissonance. 16/14/14 starts him where he needs, no matter what. 16Int/14Wis/14Dex-or-Con. Done.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He doesn't have to. It doesn't take meticulous study of the system to understand that you're gonna get attacked and you need to be concerned about getting hit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Shouldn't be a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure the answer 'If you get hit all the time, take powers that undo that, and position yourself out of dodge' won't satisfy you. Of course, the feat that grants a bonus vs area/ranged/close attacks will help a -lot-. There's a certain point where you think to yourself 'I r getting hurt, I need moar defenses.' And because of retraining, it is -never- too late to address that.</p><p></p><p>Oh, yeah, Wizards get -multiple- utilities per level as well to choose from too?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No one claimed he could or -should- get three balanced NADs. What is claimed is that it is possible to get your least NAD to a level where it is not completely useless. And it is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I just named another, total 3 point change on his achilles heel. 3 point difference on a NAD is -equivalent to 6 level gains.-</p><p></p><p>Now watch this.</p><p></p><p>16/14/14 in three seperate NADs.</p><p></p><p>Level 4 17/15/14 = +3/+2/+2</p><p>Level 8 18/15/15 = +4/+2/+2</p><p>Level 11 19/16/16 One booster feat = +4/+5/+3</p><p>Level 14 20/17/17 Two booster feat = +5/+5/+5</p><p>Level 18 21/18/17 Two booster = +5/+6/+5</p><p>Level 21 22/19/19 +2feat = +6/+6/+6</p><p>Level 24 23/20/19 " = +6/+7/+6</p><p>Level 28 24/20/20 " = +7/+7/+7</p><p></p><p>I'm in ur character gen balancing ur NADs</p><p></p><p>Everything else after this is rhetoric.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4757397, member: 71571"] What does he need the Wisdom and Dexterity for? Let's use a lick of sense here. He needs Wisdom for Thunderwave/Orb and Dex for Wand. If he's not in Wand, he needs it for exactly 0 powers. Wisdom is used on one power, and only needs to be pushed to the limit for one build... a push of 2 squares is -just fine- at heroic. And then he put 12 into Constitution, because that's defense, but he's decided he doesn't want his actual -defense-.... again. Cognitive dissonance. 16/14/14 starts him where he needs, no matter what. 16Int/14Wis/14Dex-or-Con. Done. He doesn't have to. It doesn't take meticulous study of the system to understand that you're gonna get attacked and you need to be concerned about getting hit. Shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure the answer 'If you get hit all the time, take powers that undo that, and position yourself out of dodge' won't satisfy you. Of course, the feat that grants a bonus vs area/ranged/close attacks will help a -lot-. There's a certain point where you think to yourself 'I r getting hurt, I need moar defenses.' And because of retraining, it is -never- too late to address that. Oh, yeah, Wizards get -multiple- utilities per level as well to choose from too? No one claimed he could or -should- get three balanced NADs. What is claimed is that it is possible to get your least NAD to a level where it is not completely useless. And it is. I just named another, total 3 point change on his achilles heel. 3 point difference on a NAD is -equivalent to 6 level gains.- Now watch this. 16/14/14 in three seperate NADs. Level 4 17/15/14 = +3/+2/+2 Level 8 18/15/15 = +4/+2/+2 Level 11 19/16/16 One booster feat = +4/+5/+3 Level 14 20/17/17 Two booster feat = +5/+5/+5 Level 18 21/18/17 Two booster = +5/+6/+5 Level 21 22/19/19 +2feat = +6/+6/+6 Level 24 23/20/19 " = +6/+7/+6 Level 28 24/20/20 " = +7/+7/+7 I'm in ur character gen balancing ur NADs Everything else after this is rhetoric. [/QUOTE]
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