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<blockquote data-quote="Bayuer" data-source="post: 4758655" data-attributes="member: 61817"><p>No it isn't. The best you can do before racials is 16,16,13,11,10,8!</p><p>The final array will be 24/20/19 (before racial).</p><p></p><p></p><p>OMG! What a nonsense you are saying here. SOLOS don't have any bonus to attacks! Neither Elites! And you bonuses will be +7/+5/+4 from abiliti scores. Now if you will put here racial bonuses you can make it +7/+6/+5. With Demigod. +7/+7/+6, but this is so, so specific build. It is made to make NADs high, nothing else. Your to hit chance is lower than it should be. You don't have any other stats high! And you can manage this only at 30 level. At lower levels you will not have such a nice stats. Anyway your NADs will be 38, 38, 37. Average monster to hit on 30 lvl vs. NAD is... +33. 5 on die, 5 on die, 4 on die. WOW! When you AC is hitted on 9 (or 11 when you use plate and shiedl).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Godforged Collosus is ELITE BRUTE! His average to hit vs. NAD is 2 lower than Skirmishers. And he is 29 level. On 30 level it will have +31 to hit vs. NAD (where +33 is average). Everything is ok here!</p><p>Earthrage Battlebriar is 28 lvl ELITE BRUTE! He have +30 vs. REF (trample; should be +29).</p><p>Atropal is 28 lvl ELITE BRUTE! +29 vs. REF (at 30 it will be +31).</p><p></p><p>All axamples you made was for Brutes whos NADs attacks are lowest in game. I can say now that you are not giving AND arguments here just trolling. What is sense of comparing 28 lvl brute with 30 lvl PC! Man.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at normal monsters in MM, shall we?</p><p>Ancient Red Dragon (Level 30 Solo Soldier) +35 vs. REF (to hit is exacly as it is stated ind DMG); +35 vs. REF (close blast 5!; +2 from average - should be +33 with multitarget power)</p><p>Now you gave us some evidences here! Alle PCs hitted on 3 (wit close blast 5) on die for... 4d12+10 dmg.</p><p>Tarrasque (Level 30 Solo Brute) +33 vs. REF (trample; +2 from average but it makes very little dmg)</p><p>All NADs hitted on 5, one one 4.</p><p></p><p>And this is why I think my calculations works fine. They are average! In middle. I don't need to make examples to prove them. As you can see it is easy to give brutes and say. Many your math is wrong. In respond you have soldier and wow! My math is even better than I was think...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bayuer, post: 4758655, member: 61817"] No it isn't. The best you can do before racials is 16,16,13,11,10,8! The final array will be 24/20/19 (before racial). OMG! What a nonsense you are saying here. SOLOS don't have any bonus to attacks! Neither Elites! And you bonuses will be +7/+5/+4 from abiliti scores. Now if you will put here racial bonuses you can make it +7/+6/+5. With Demigod. +7/+7/+6, but this is so, so specific build. It is made to make NADs high, nothing else. Your to hit chance is lower than it should be. You don't have any other stats high! And you can manage this only at 30 level. At lower levels you will not have such a nice stats. Anyway your NADs will be 38, 38, 37. Average monster to hit on 30 lvl vs. NAD is... +33. 5 on die, 5 on die, 4 on die. WOW! When you AC is hitted on 9 (or 11 when you use plate and shiedl). Godforged Collosus is ELITE BRUTE! His average to hit vs. NAD is 2 lower than Skirmishers. And he is 29 level. On 30 level it will have +31 to hit vs. NAD (where +33 is average). Everything is ok here! Earthrage Battlebriar is 28 lvl ELITE BRUTE! He have +30 vs. REF (trample; should be +29). Atropal is 28 lvl ELITE BRUTE! +29 vs. REF (at 30 it will be +31). All axamples you made was for Brutes whos NADs attacks are lowest in game. I can say now that you are not giving AND arguments here just trolling. What is sense of comparing 28 lvl brute with 30 lvl PC! Man. Let's look at normal monsters in MM, shall we? Ancient Red Dragon (Level 30 Solo Soldier) +35 vs. REF (to hit is exacly as it is stated ind DMG); +35 vs. REF (close blast 5!; +2 from average - should be +33 with multitarget power) Now you gave us some evidences here! Alle PCs hitted on 3 (wit close blast 5) on die for... 4d12+10 dmg. Tarrasque (Level 30 Solo Brute) +33 vs. REF (trample; +2 from average but it makes very little dmg) All NADs hitted on 5, one one 4. And this is why I think my calculations works fine. They are average! In middle. I don't need to make examples to prove them. As you can see it is easy to give brutes and say. Many your math is wrong. In respond you have soldier and wow! My math is even better than I was think... [/QUOTE]
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