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Message: <blockquote data-quote="grickherder" data-source="post: 4704632" data-attributes="member: 68043">Umm.  No.  If that's the conclusion you're coming to, you're either misreading me or I'm not being clear.I agree completely.  Your paragraph above is a mirror image of a post I made earlier in this thread.  You said it better than I did.Once again, I agree completely.If someone can't enjoy themselves unless they are the best out of everyone there, then they are petty or small.Umm.  I'm not.  I'm not talking about that at all.  I'm not talking about when someone isn't doing anything meaningful, I'm talking about when people are doing something meaningful but don't value it as such because someone else is successful too.I won't play in a game where I'm along for the ride and what I do doesn't matter.  You're right it's not fun.   I'm obviously not "judging people" for it when I feel the same way.I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.I understand that, but I disagree.  Atleast for the first 14 levels.  At level 15 and especially at level 25, I can see it.  But as I've said before, I don't consider something I'm not going to take until half way through the advancement cycle to be a must have.Again, I understand that some people feel this way, but I disagree with their conclusion.  The main reason being that as players we usually don't enter conflict that's resolved with the numbers on someone else's character sheet.  The stats we oppose are those of the monsters.  And if my +12 to hit at level 8 is good enough, I don't suddenly stop contributing when it could be a +13.  And if my +12 was good enough, it doesn't suddenly become not good enough because the guy across the table goes up to +14.Imagine this situation that a lot of people are going to be going through:There's a group of people playing D&D.  They're having a blast playing the game they like.  The DM is doing  good job with encounters an everyone is having fun, feeling like they are contributing to the team.  Boom, PHB2 is released and expertise is now available.What's really changed?  The monsters are all still the same.  Everyone is doing fine without the +1.  Then a player takes the feat.  He leaps ahead of his peers by a mighty +1 to hit.  Another player used to hit a given monster on an 11.  But with the first player taking this feat, the second player's contribution has been diminished to the point where he only hits the monster on an 11!  What a jerk, diminishing my contribution to the team effort like that! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm    :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /></blockquote>

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