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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4706857" data-attributes="member: 2011">I think the problem being addressed is not really a significant problem.42 42 37 40  28 Elite Brute Atropal42 44 38 36  28 Elite Brute Earthrage Battlebriar42 46 40 40  28 Solo Artillery Ancient Blue Dragon44 45 42 42  28 Soldier Efreet Karadjin42 38 41 38  28 Lurker Sorrowsworn Deathlord43 48 40 45  29 Elite Brute Godforged Colossus45 45 43 41  29 Solo Controller Runescribed DracolichLevel 28 PC with +6 melee weapon, 16 starting stat bumped every time, 28th level = 14 + 6 + 7 + 3 = +30For the most part, this PC needs a 12 (45%) against a same 28th level creature. Sure, the Dracolich at one level higher is 30%, but that is not game breaking considering that the PC has no synergy bonuses yet.This is without Demigod, this is without an 18 or 20 starting stat, this is without any Prestige class bonus, this is without any other bonuses such as Leadership bonuses, combat advantage, having high level henchmen or NPCs do Aid Another, specialized feats such as Back to the Wall, Charging, ways to re-roll attacks, etc.The non-weapon PC typically has multiple defenses to choose from. The lowest average defense (~39) also averages a 45% chance to hit (at +27) for the same level creatures. It might take several rounds to figure out a weaker defense, but Epic level fights tend to last longer anyway.And most of these creatures are Elites or Solos. They are supposed to be harder to hit. Solos especially are behind the action economy 8-ball.Going to the higher level creatures:48 48 43 42  30 Solo Soldier Ancient Red Dragon43 49 38 32  30 Solo Brute Tarrasque48 51 46 49  33 Solo Brute OrcusOrcus here is the only one without weaknesses. The others can be hit. Maybe not well vs. one defense, but against other defenses. I don't think that one god-like monster in the MM should be the indicator that Epic level is broken.I think the problem that the feat is trying to fix is somewhat illusory. Epic PCs should have so many different resources and options that they can make up for 40% range chances to hit.I also think that DMs can be lured into the concept of throwing monsters 2+ levels higher at the PCs at lower levels and then suddenly realizing that as the range gets narrower at the top, the game changes a bit and requires not so many encounters that are levels tougher than the PCs. DMs might also throw a few lesser foes in with solos more often at lower levels. This probably should not be done at the highest levels. These type of DM habits sound more like the real culprit here.And, I suspect there are very few players that do not bump their main stat up every time. Maybe their secondary stat might not get bumped to create a more balanced PC, but the balance of the game does require pushing the main stat. There are defense feats to handle the weaker defenses.Expertise will probably be disallowed in our game.</blockquote>

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