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Message: <blockquote data-quote="grickherder" data-source="post: 4737915" data-attributes="member: 68043">You nailed it.  And your real game examples are perfectly appropriate.  I'm finding it to be exactly the same way.  The whole expertise scare is a good example of theoretical problems that don't exist in actual play.  Expertise is a nice useful feat for those sub-optimal builds but hardly necessary for those builds that already hit enough.  The rogue with multiple ways of getting combat advantage with a subsequent +14 to attack vs reflex at level 4 (+5 for dex, +4 for dagger, +2 for combat advantage, +2 for level, +1 for magic dagger) should hardly bother with it.</blockquote>