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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6149002" data-attributes="member: 17106">I think the movie was a change in direction from most of what we'd seen before, but then, the other characters and elements were different two; it's a whole-cloth reinvention. I can see where someone with a strong attachment to an existing canon might be thrown off, but personally, I think the movie version was exactly what was needed to convince us that the character was real, in keeping with the naturalistic tone of the rest of the movies (the first two, anyway).This totally jumped out at me though. There was a lot more than some nods in there! That idea is central to the movie (&quot;I don't want to kill you. What would I do without you? No, you complete me.&quot;), it was even stated at the end of the first movie (the great exchange on &quot;escalation&quot;). What more could they have done with this&nbsp; &quot;defined by Batman&quot; idea than what they already did?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6149002, member: 17106"] I think the movie was a change in direction from most of what we'd seen before, but then, the other characters and elements were different two; it's a whole-cloth reinvention. I can see where someone with a strong attachment to an existing canon might be thrown off, but personally, I think the movie version was exactly what was needed to convince us that the character was real, in keeping with the naturalistic tone of the rest of the movies (the first two, anyway). This totally jumped out at me though. There was a lot more than some nods in there! That idea is central to the movie ("I don't want to kill you. What would I do without you? No, you complete me."), it was even stated at the end of the first movie (the great exchange on "escalation"). What more could they have done with this "defined by Batman" idea than what they already did? [/QUOTE]

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