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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6149190" data-attributes="member: 17106">I think it's pretty clear thematically, too, when you look at his schemes and his propaganda, as it were, that all of it is reactionary to the Batman phenomenon and is designed to get his attention and provoke confrontation. It's also pretty clear that he let himself be captured so there would be a face-to-face meeting. I also think we see plenty of Bruce agonizing over his responsibility in the chaos that ensues, particularly the impostor Bat-character who gets tortured and killed. It blows by fast, but I don't know how much more one could ask for in a two-hour movie. There's not a lot of depth available in that time. Those lines were also central in the first trailer, such that I think a lot of people went into the movie with that idea in mind.Now, if they had been able to continue the story in the third one, then it would have been interesting to see what they would have done.I do too, I just found it more effective. Since I went in expecting nuance and pretense and there was none, it made the movie more impactful. The sheer purity of the character is what shocked and disturbed so many people.Now don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the Frank Miller joker, or the Arkham Asylum joker from the video games, and those are very different (and still quite dark). Reinvention is part of the comic book world.</blockquote>