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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6268089" data-attributes="member: 2067">So, all of the above topics are automatically Edition War stuff?I do think that a chunk of it is still 4e fall-out. Every new e is kind of partially a reaction to what came before, and 5e's not going to be an exception, so that's fairly normal -- many of 4e's own changes were ushered in by what people hated most about 3e. A lot of 5e's changes are going to be attempts to fix problems that people had with 4e. Heck, some of the most strident critics of 5e are already warming up the engine on the "4e did it better, we should have never changed it" bandwagon. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> If the designers are smart, and want 4e fans to try the game too, they won't be monolithic about solving things that aren't a problem for everyone, but "fixes" are likely going to appear. In other words, it is a time for folks with axes to grind to grind those axes and continue to express their bitterness. I'm not sure it's all just Edition Wars, though. A new edition is a time to hope the next game will fit your needs better than the last one did (which is part of why the e's are reactions). There's nothing wrong with hoping that you will be able to play full-on option-rich 5e without those elements, or with disliking 4e because it included or lacked those elements. Those things aren't automatically Edition War material. They're just things that can cause people's passions to eclipse their capacity for constructive conversation. It's totally possible to talk about 5e having or not having, say, OGL compatibility, WITHOUT talking about how 4e shot your dog and how 3e gave everyone free cookies forever. It's possible to talk about The Mechanic Which Cannot Be Named without imagining that 4e was an unfairly maligned martyr for D&D perfection that the ignorant masses just couldn't appreciate and that 3e is only for people who hate puppies and fighters.</blockquote>

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