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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6268367" data-attributes="member: 177">The bleedingly obvious thing being that those who didn't like mechanics that came to the fore with 4e will rather naturally not like them now, either.It is rather glib to dismiss all such complaint as edition warring.&nbsp; Folks are allowed to not like things, and to state that.&nbsp; When they have seen D&amp;D do the things they want in the past, they have just as much right to say they want more of that as anyone else.What can be done about edition warring?&nbsp; Stop discussing matters with people who are too aggressive or rude.&nbsp; Don't rise to the bait.&nbsp; Use the Ignore List.The &quot;fight for the soul of D&amp;D&quot; is predicated on the idea that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and being squeaky on EN World has notable effect on development choices.&nbsp; At this point, that's not a reasonable expectation.&nbsp; Even if the developers read EN World, and even if they take the small number of very vocal folks we have here as telling (which I doubt, as I suspect they all have a better understanding of statistics than to do that), if they are releasing this summer, it is too late to effect major change in the structure of the game.&nbsp; Details may change, but the base mechanics have to be pretty solid at this point.Which means that the game doesn't need you as a Chosen Defender.&nbsp; It will be what it will be.&nbsp; It's value will be determined not by your rhetoric, but by the buying patterns of the bulk of the market - who don't post on or read this board!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6268367, member: 177"] The bleedingly obvious thing being that those who didn't like mechanics that came to the fore with 4e will rather naturally not like them now, either. It is rather glib to dismiss all such complaint as edition warring. Folks are allowed to not like things, and to state that. When they have seen D&D do the things they want in the past, they have just as much right to say they want more of that as anyone else. What can be done about edition warring? Stop discussing matters with people who are too aggressive or rude. Don't rise to the bait. Use the Ignore List. The "fight for the soul of D&D" is predicated on the idea that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and being squeaky on EN World has notable effect on development choices. At this point, that's not a reasonable expectation. Even if the developers read EN World, and even if they take the small number of very vocal folks we have here as telling (which I doubt, as I suspect they all have a better understanding of statistics than to do that), if they are releasing this summer, it is too late to effect major change in the structure of the game. Details may change, but the base mechanics have to be pretty solid at this point. Which means that the game doesn't need you as a Chosen Defender. It will be what it will be. It's value will be determined not by your rhetoric, but by the buying patterns of the bulk of the market - who don't post on or read this board! [/QUOTE]

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