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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6268536" data-attributes="member: 177">I understand that accounts for some of it.But shouting at EN Worlders doesn't get you squat.&nbsp; We don't have input into the design process beyond our own responses to surveys.&nbsp; Nor is shouting at each other likely to change anyone's mind.&nbsp; Once you shout, you kill any chance of actually communicating.Note how this interplays with the first point.&nbsp; DoaM is a decent example.&nbsp; One option on one class in a playtest document, right?&nbsp; There was no credible evidence that DoaM was gong to become de rigueur through the game - the overwhelming majority of classes didn't have DoaM.&nbsp; No credible evidence that the options you might like would not generally be available.&nbsp; Agreed?This means no reason to think folks weren't listening.&nbsp; If what you say above is the whole story, then DoaM should not have been a major issue.&nbsp; But, it was.Thus, there is another issue at hand other than feeling that folks don't listen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6268536, member: 177"] I understand that accounts for some of it. But shouting at EN Worlders doesn't get you squat. We don't have input into the design process beyond our own responses to surveys. Nor is shouting at each other likely to change anyone's mind. Once you shout, you kill any chance of actually communicating. Note how this interplays with the first point. DoaM is a decent example. One option on one class in a playtest document, right? There was no credible evidence that DoaM was gong to become [I]de rigueur[/I] through the game - the overwhelming majority of classes didn't have DoaM. No credible evidence that the options you might like would not generally be available. Agreed? This means no reason to think folks weren't listening. If what you say above is the whole story, then DoaM should not have been a major issue. But, it was. Thus, there is another issue at hand other than feeling that folks don't listen. [/QUOTE]

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