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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5634366" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>And I think that's where the conflict arises. What is 'reasonable'?</p><p></p><p>If the question is 'how is this rule supposed to work?', then absolutely, it is perfectly reasonable to look at all the stuff most of you are talking about with regards to context, fluff text, other sources, etc. etc. And I personally would vote with all of you that your interpretation is correct for what you are trying to accomplish.</p><p></p><p>But Draco's question is 'what does the specific language that is currently used to describe this situation actually produce, regardless of what we think is supposed to be the result?'. And in that regard, it is reasonable to say that Draco's point (that there is no rule written into the power that is <em>contradicting</em> the Summon keyword's basic duration rule of 'end of encounter or five minutes') is true. Other rules are <em>adding</em> to the duration rules of the power, but unless we can say that WotC's use of the word 'otherwise' is defined as a total replacement... there's nothing that is contradicting it (even though we all agree that there <em>should</em> be... like the word 'otherwise'.)</p><p></p><p>Yes, that goes against what we all say is the intention of how it is supposed to work... but from a English grammar / strip away all meaning behind the words and just look at how the words themselves parse out - point of view... Draco's point is just as reasonable as everyone else's (depending entirely on what you are trying to accomplish-- a usable ruling on a power, or a strict parse on Ruled As Written.)</p><p></p><p>More to the point though... I think the real problem here is that it seems most people just don't see the reason for Draco's point to be brought up. And <em>that's</em> the issue. No one truly ever uses the strictest sense of Ruled As Written (because as you say, AA, the rules language in D&D just isn't formal enough to accomplish that)... so no one knows why or cares about Draco's interpretation, so why is he wasting everyone's time (per se)?</p><p></p><p>And the answer to that is that is just what DracoSuave does (IMO). He's one of the ultimate RAWyers here at ENWorld and will argue a point just because it's fun and will stop at nothing to get people to see the sausage-making process and not just the sausage itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5634366, member: 7006"] And I think that's where the conflict arises. What is 'reasonable'? If the question is 'how is this rule supposed to work?', then absolutely, it is perfectly reasonable to look at all the stuff most of you are talking about with regards to context, fluff text, other sources, etc. etc. And I personally would vote with all of you that your interpretation is correct for what you are trying to accomplish. But Draco's question is 'what does the specific language that is currently used to describe this situation actually produce, regardless of what we think is supposed to be the result?'. And in that regard, it is reasonable to say that Draco's point (that there is no rule written into the power that is [I]contradicting[/I] the Summon keyword's basic duration rule of 'end of encounter or five minutes') is true. Other rules are [I]adding[/I] to the duration rules of the power, but unless we can say that WotC's use of the word 'otherwise' is defined as a total replacement... there's nothing that is contradicting it (even though we all agree that there [I]should[/I] be... like the word 'otherwise'.) Yes, that goes against what we all say is the intention of how it is supposed to work... but from a English grammar / strip away all meaning behind the words and just look at how the words themselves parse out - point of view... Draco's point is just as reasonable as everyone else's (depending entirely on what you are trying to accomplish-- a usable ruling on a power, or a strict parse on Ruled As Written.) More to the point though... I think the real problem here is that it seems most people just don't see the reason for Draco's point to be brought up. And [I]that's[/I] the issue. No one truly ever uses the strictest sense of Ruled As Written (because as you say, AA, the rules language in D&D just isn't formal enough to accomplish that)... so no one knows why or cares about Draco's interpretation, so why is he wasting everyone's time (per se)? And the answer to that is that is just what DracoSuave does (IMO). He's one of the ultimate RAWyers here at ENWorld and will argue a point just because it's fun and will stop at nothing to get people to see the sausage-making process and not just the sausage itself. [/QUOTE]
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