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So... Do Summoned Creatures Suck?
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<blockquote data-quote="Moorcrys" data-source="post: 5634529" data-attributes="member: 7814"><p>I'm not, nor have I been or will ever be, interested in that debate. It is not, literally, a computer program - it's an attempt to unify language as much as possible to speed play and allow DMs to adjudicate fairly.</p><p></p><p>My argument is simply that the author has specifically written in the book the duration of the power, and none of the wording in the little green power box contradicts it. Draco's beginning argument was that it wasn't stated in the book, only a mention in a dragon 'up and coming' article. Thats not the case - in the first paragraph of the power's description the author tells you In plain terms how long the power lasts. You're asking me to completely disregard what the author plainly states in order to get into a niggling argument over one word in the green power box and thereby argue the the power doesn't work the way the author states it does. I say nonsense. The intent of the power is crystal clear and written in black and white, and the powerbox doesn't contradict it. If the author had written 'this power lasts all day' and the box stated 'this power lasts until the end of the encounter' then I'd agree. It doesn't. The book plainly states that the power lasts indefinitely, and the powerbox plainly states the three methods whereby the power ends - death, dismissal, or using the power again. In addition, NO other summoning power lists these conditions explicitly in their powerbox. They don't need to because they use the standard summoning duration.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, in the glossary, the summoning rules state this:</p><p></p><p> The following rules are a reference for summoning in general. As usual, if a particular power contains exceptions to these rules, the exception takes precedence.</p><p></p><p>The power contains obvious exceptions, written clearly and succinctly by the author in the power description. That is reinforced by the fact that this particular power, unlike any other summoning power in the book, lists the three specific ways by which the power ends. So 4e is exception-based, except in this instance, because even though it's laid out in clear terms how long the power lasts, and even though the author lists the exception at the very beginning if the power, it's not written using he exact wording one person would like it to be? </p><p></p><p>Honesty, how much clearer does it need to be?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moorcrys, post: 5634529, member: 7814"] I'm not, nor have I been or will ever be, interested in that debate. It is not, literally, a computer program - it's an attempt to unify language as much as possible to speed play and allow DMs to adjudicate fairly. My argument is simply that the author has specifically written in the book the duration of the power, and none of the wording in the little green power box contradicts it. Draco's beginning argument was that it wasn't stated in the book, only a mention in a dragon 'up and coming' article. Thats not the case - in the first paragraph of the power's description the author tells you In plain terms how long the power lasts. You're asking me to completely disregard what the author plainly states in order to get into a niggling argument over one word in the green power box and thereby argue the the power doesn't work the way the author states it does. I say nonsense. The intent of the power is crystal clear and written in black and white, and the powerbox doesn't contradict it. If the author had written 'this power lasts all day' and the box stated 'this power lasts until the end of the encounter' then I'd agree. It doesn't. The book plainly states that the power lasts indefinitely, and the powerbox plainly states the three methods whereby the power ends - death, dismissal, or using the power again. In addition, NO other summoning power lists these conditions explicitly in their powerbox. They don't need to because they use the standard summoning duration. Furthermore, in the glossary, the summoning rules state this: The following rules are a reference for summoning in general. As usual, if a particular power contains exceptions to these rules, the exception takes precedence. The power contains obvious exceptions, written clearly and succinctly by the author in the power description. That is reinforced by the fact that this particular power, unlike any other summoning power in the book, lists the three specific ways by which the power ends. So 4e is exception-based, except in this instance, because even though it's laid out in clear terms how long the power lasts, and even though the author lists the exception at the very beginning if the power, it's not written using he exact wording one person would like it to be? Honesty, how much clearer does it need to be? [/QUOTE]
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