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So... Do Summoned Creatures Suck?
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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5635027" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>Moorcrys: What's your point here?</p><p></p><p>If you're arguing about how things should be rules -in a game-, doubt you'd find any argument. It's pretty clear that Summon Shadow Servant is way weak if it doesn't last past the encounter, and it's clear that that's the designer intent.</p><p></p><p>If you're arguing that the text successfully overwrites the base Summon text (I'd say that it doesn't, because we have plenty of other situations where exactly the same kind of text doesn't override, and trying to point out nigling wording differences and make sauce out of them just leads to more madness), and doesn't need nor want eratta to have the text do (without GM judgement in-game) exactly what it's intended to do...why?</p><p></p><p>Clearly, the text is at least somewhat ambiguous, whereas adding "only" would remove that ambiguity (so would "...and not at the end of the encounter"). So what's the benefit of not pushing Wizards to cleaning up the spell?</p><p></p><p>Now, to play devil's advocate...I do think that the spell has wording that is not unreasonable as contradicting the base rules. Specifically, in "if you use this spell again". This is a daily spell. You cannot use it more than once a day. So if you're using it again, this means you have to be using it on a future day. As such, this directly implies that the spell's duration exceeds that of an encounter. Effectively, the second clause (and not the first) contradicts the "at the end of the encounter" text -- it's a variant on "or at the end of your next extended rest" (which would clearly contradict the "end of the encounter" default endpoint) that lets the Shadow Servant last into the next day and be an extra daily on that day.</p><p></p><p>That reminds me, moving back to the OP (and using the spell as intended, regardless of argument on RAW), one thing (aside from timing the spell right) is that you should always have a Shadow Servant at the beginning of each adventure. After all, the spell lasts until you use it again; unless you start an adventure less than a day after the previous adventure, you should be casting it before each long rest as SOP unless you used it earlier, therefore it should be available as, functionally, an "extra" daily at the start of that adventure (and you can then be judicious about your -second- use of SSS on that day).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5635027, member: 59248"] Moorcrys: What's your point here? If you're arguing about how things should be rules -in a game-, doubt you'd find any argument. It's pretty clear that Summon Shadow Servant is way weak if it doesn't last past the encounter, and it's clear that that's the designer intent. If you're arguing that the text successfully overwrites the base Summon text (I'd say that it doesn't, because we have plenty of other situations where exactly the same kind of text doesn't override, and trying to point out nigling wording differences and make sauce out of them just leads to more madness), and doesn't need nor want eratta to have the text do (without GM judgement in-game) exactly what it's intended to do...why? Clearly, the text is at least somewhat ambiguous, whereas adding "only" would remove that ambiguity (so would "...and not at the end of the encounter"). So what's the benefit of not pushing Wizards to cleaning up the spell? Now, to play devil's advocate...I do think that the spell has wording that is not unreasonable as contradicting the base rules. Specifically, in "if you use this spell again". This is a daily spell. You cannot use it more than once a day. So if you're using it again, this means you have to be using it on a future day. As such, this directly implies that the spell's duration exceeds that of an encounter. Effectively, the second clause (and not the first) contradicts the "at the end of the encounter" text -- it's a variant on "or at the end of your next extended rest" (which would clearly contradict the "end of the encounter" default endpoint) that lets the Shadow Servant last into the next day and be an extra daily on that day. That reminds me, moving back to the OP (and using the spell as intended, regardless of argument on RAW), one thing (aside from timing the spell right) is that you should always have a Shadow Servant at the beginning of each adventure. After all, the spell lasts until you use it again; unless you start an adventure less than a day after the previous adventure, you should be casting it before each long rest as SOP unless you used it earlier, therefore it should be available as, functionally, an "extra" daily at the start of that adventure (and you can then be judicious about your -second- use of SSS on that day). [/QUOTE]
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