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<blockquote data-quote="Nareau" data-source="post: 838848" data-attributes="member: 969">I agree with Oni here.&nbsp; Some questions you might want to ask your DM, in order to clarify his world-view of good and evil:1)&nbsp; Is it evil to kill someone who CAN defend themselves?2)&nbsp; Is it evil to kill someone who can only defend themselves poorly (ie, a goblin with no character levels)?3)&nbsp; Is it evil to let someone die after knocking them out (ie, bleed to death from -5 to -10 hp)?4)&nbsp; Is it more evil to use Power Word:&nbsp; Kill than it would be to use Hold Person and then CdG the enemy?5)&nbsp; Are there any forms of capital punishment in the world?6)&nbsp; What other options are available to the PC's that will reasonably ensure that the BBEG won't rape or murder anyone else?I personally would do anything possible to avoid killing another person.&nbsp; However, if I were in a situation were I became willing to kill someone, their level of consciousness would not change my decision...nor do I think it would change the morality or ethics of my action.OTOH, I think that D&amp;D works from a fairly &quot;conservative&quot; model of Good and Evil.&nbsp; That is to say, the rules are written such that certain creatures and acts are by their very nature Evil.&nbsp; Situational morality and extenuating circumstances don't have much place in such a world.&nbsp; If your DM is taking this strict moral stance, then you have an easy option:&nbsp; everyone in the party readies an action to attack him when he wakes up (by natural means or a spell).&nbsp; He'll have a brief moment of not being helpless; then you'll be morally justified in killing him.If I were a player in this game, there's a good chance I would have stormed away from the gaming table during this scene.&nbsp; For one, it does sound like the DM might be changing the world's moral system in order to save a BBEG.&nbsp; Even if that weren't the case, I think this is something the DM should have made very clear from day one.Finally, do you have a decently high-level druid available?&nbsp; All you need is a Summon Nature's Ally:&nbsp; Pixie; it's got magic arrows of forgetting stuff.&nbsp; Presto, Tabula Rasa!Spider</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nareau, post: 838848, member: 969"] I agree with Oni here. Some questions you might want to ask your DM, in order to clarify his world-view of good and evil: 1) Is it evil to kill someone who CAN defend themselves? 2) Is it evil to kill someone who can only defend themselves poorly (ie, a goblin with no character levels)? 3) Is it evil to let someone die after knocking them out (ie, bleed to death from -5 to -10 hp)? 4) Is it more evil to use [i]Power Word: Kill[/i] than it would be to use [I]Hold Person[/I] and then CdG the enemy? 5) Are there any forms of capital punishment in the world? 6) What other options are available to the PC's that will reasonably ensure that the BBEG won't rape or murder anyone else? I personally would do anything possible to avoid killing another person. However, if I were in a situation were I became willing to kill someone, their level of consciousness would not change my decision...nor do I think it would change the morality or ethics of my action. OTOH, I think that D&D works from a fairly "conservative" model of Good and Evil. That is to say, the rules are written such that certain creatures and acts are by their very nature Evil. Situational morality and extenuating circumstances don't have much place in such a world. If your DM is taking this strict moral stance, then you have an easy option: everyone in the party readies an action to attack him when he wakes up (by natural means or a spell). He'll have a brief moment of not being helpless; then you'll be morally justified in killing him. If I were a player in this game, there's a good chance I would have stormed away from the gaming table during this scene. For one, it does sound like the DM might be changing the world's moral system in order to save a BBEG. Even if that weren't the case, I think this is something the DM should have made very clear from day one. Finally, do you have a decently high-level druid available? All you need is a Summon Nature's Ally: Pixie; it's got magic arrows of forgetting stuff. Presto, Tabula Rasa! Spider [/QUOTE]

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