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so, exactly how evil are we talking here? (kinda long)
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<blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 845948" data-attributes="member: 9298"><p>wow, Don aka Rindar the Wizard (Negative Zero) got Ed (the DM) to post. I'm shellshocked. </p><p></p><p>my alter-ego is Silver the rogue/bard in question. </p><p></p><p>my first instinct was too NOT kill the bad guy. Silver's whole existence right now comes from the cliche street thief turned "heroic" bard mold. Oddly enough, he might be the most "good" of the whole motley crew. </p><p>Unless you consider LYING to be a bad thing <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Don/Rindar yelled out to "finish him" and I wasn't sure if that was in or out of character. This was followed by Ed's warning. I was more concerned with taking the guy's MAGICAL RAPIER for myself than listeining to either of them. After that, our NPC-samurai chick went down and I jumped back into the fray.</p><p></p><p>By the time we finished up, went around the castle to rescue our other party member and returned to the sleeping baddie... more baddies were on the scene and his body had been taken away. He will be back, missing a rapier, and VERY VERY mad at me.</p><p>Then I will mock him and kill him with his own weapon in a fair fight, making this debate moot <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>My original reaction to Ed's warning was that it had a bit of "don't kill my npc" tone to it, and since I was actually gonna score the pretty rapier, I figured I might as well not kill his NPC. </p><p></p><p>Upon further consideration, I still say that my initial instinct before either of them gave their opinions was NOT to kill him. At the very least until the whole party decided what to do, and even then, probably having someone else deliverying the final blow. Now I'm wondering it its because I'm blurring the lines between modern life and a fantasy world. Laying in bed trying to figure what Silver would do to this dirtbag. Luckily, I just watched the new Buffy so I have something else to think about. </p><p></p><p>I aso know that Ed has always tried to be strongly consistent in his worldview. You should seen the conversation when two PCs put a good NPCs life at risk in a fight. He's made mention of not killing defenseless human foes before, I'm pretty sure. So I don't really think he was trying to talk me out of it or save the bad guy. Just countering Don's "kill him" with the other side of the coin.</p><p></p><p>Reading his response here now has me questioning just where the powers of the "edges" come from and why he nudges us along the path of good. Wonder if there's any in-game reason rather than just DM preference to run a good-aligned game. hmmm</p><p></p><p>And Don's just mad I didnt get the bracers off the bad guy too before we lost his body. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p>And that my new rapier is cooler than his dagger. </p><p></p><p>And for Kilmore who responding in the time its taken me to write this, our only mission was to find out how to deliver some slightly altered documents that state that the evil wizard who is controlling the "bad" country that we're infilitrating will turn on the baron soon. Thus severing the evil wizard from the baron and ending the war. (cuz its the evil wizard who controls all the monster-mercenaries) The person we've decided to trust in the enemy countires capital is the baron's son who is also against the war. And he's told us to sneak into the wizards tower to find out the source of his control over the monsters. So the baddie in question is just a random evil mercenary and not directly related to our mission at all. By removing those who pay him, we remove his threat as far as the mission is concerned. It just leaves the moral issue of do you leave this psyhcopath alive. </p><p></p><p>That kinda bounced all over the place, but I was just throwing in my two florins. (the coin in Elimbor)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevelabny, post: 845948, member: 9298"] wow, Don aka Rindar the Wizard (Negative Zero) got Ed (the DM) to post. I'm shellshocked. my alter-ego is Silver the rogue/bard in question. my first instinct was too NOT kill the bad guy. Silver's whole existence right now comes from the cliche street thief turned "heroic" bard mold. Oddly enough, he might be the most "good" of the whole motley crew. Unless you consider LYING to be a bad thing :) Don/Rindar yelled out to "finish him" and I wasn't sure if that was in or out of character. This was followed by Ed's warning. I was more concerned with taking the guy's MAGICAL RAPIER for myself than listeining to either of them. After that, our NPC-samurai chick went down and I jumped back into the fray. By the time we finished up, went around the castle to rescue our other party member and returned to the sleeping baddie... more baddies were on the scene and his body had been taken away. He will be back, missing a rapier, and VERY VERY mad at me. Then I will mock him and kill him with his own weapon in a fair fight, making this debate moot :) My original reaction to Ed's warning was that it had a bit of "don't kill my npc" tone to it, and since I was actually gonna score the pretty rapier, I figured I might as well not kill his NPC. Upon further consideration, I still say that my initial instinct before either of them gave their opinions was NOT to kill him. At the very least until the whole party decided what to do, and even then, probably having someone else deliverying the final blow. Now I'm wondering it its because I'm blurring the lines between modern life and a fantasy world. Laying in bed trying to figure what Silver would do to this dirtbag. Luckily, I just watched the new Buffy so I have something else to think about. I aso know that Ed has always tried to be strongly consistent in his worldview. You should seen the conversation when two PCs put a good NPCs life at risk in a fight. He's made mention of not killing defenseless human foes before, I'm pretty sure. So I don't really think he was trying to talk me out of it or save the bad guy. Just countering Don's "kill him" with the other side of the coin. Reading his response here now has me questioning just where the powers of the "edges" come from and why he nudges us along the path of good. Wonder if there's any in-game reason rather than just DM preference to run a good-aligned game. hmmm And Don's just mad I didnt get the bracers off the bad guy too before we lost his body. :) And that my new rapier is cooler than his dagger. And for Kilmore who responding in the time its taken me to write this, our only mission was to find out how to deliver some slightly altered documents that state that the evil wizard who is controlling the "bad" country that we're infilitrating will turn on the baron soon. Thus severing the evil wizard from the baron and ending the war. (cuz its the evil wizard who controls all the monster-mercenaries) The person we've decided to trust in the enemy countires capital is the baron's son who is also against the war. And he's told us to sneak into the wizards tower to find out the source of his control over the monsters. So the baddie in question is just a random evil mercenary and not directly related to our mission at all. By removing those who pay him, we remove his threat as far as the mission is concerned. It just leaves the moral issue of do you leave this psyhcopath alive. That kinda bounced all over the place, but I was just throwing in my two florins. (the coin in Elimbor) [/QUOTE]
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