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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 6102322" data-attributes="member: 78958">Well, whatever your JAG man found, the rules in 3.5 and PF are the same where casting time for summon spells is concerned. "If you dig you will find the passage" isn't a very convincing argument. Maybe try digging it up yourself if you're so sure?Also, PHBII and following did a lot to balance out party roles. Sure, some mechanical material got left behind (the Fighter and Monk class, except as dips, come to mind), but all in all, swinging sharp metal at foes became more enticing with e.g. the Duskblade. Or the Swordsage, oh my god, the Swordsage...Complete Scoundrel, to pick the same example as you, is probably among the most well-balanced 3.5 books out there IMO. Complete Champion has some options that even I would dub cases of power creep (but there's always gonna be some chaff). but other than that, the later books really made 3.5 much, much more enjoyable to me.Sorry 'bout that.</blockquote>