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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 6590156" data-attributes="member: 413">And who said it was? Read Warmaster Horus's post again...there is a huge difference between peeking around a corner and stepping out into the open.&nbsp; &nbsp; We're talking about peeking around a corner or peering through brush.&nbsp; If you are hidden and peek around a corner, you &quot;can be seen&quot;.&nbsp; Are you saying that when you do you are automatically spotted?&nbsp; If so...why have any rules for hiding at all because it seems unlikely anyone will ever be able to hide and do something useful except maybe avoid being attacked.And no...stepping out from cover is in no way going to cause you to automatically be seen.&nbsp; Just a few minutes ago I was changing a smoke detector battery in my daughter's room...she walked past in the hall.&nbsp; I wasn't even trying to hide and she didn't notice me there.&nbsp; I could have reached right through the door and smacked her (attack with advantage anyone).&nbsp; Instead, I just said &quot;boo!&quot; and startled her.&nbsp; Keep that in mind and reread the rule on page 177...note the paragraph that says &quot;In combat...&quot;&nbsp; It is specifically talking about in combat and not in other situations (like a person walking down a hall in their &quot;lair&quot; and feeling unthreatened).&nbsp; So yeah...in combat a nondistracted creature will spot you if you come out of cover (completely) and approach.&nbsp; No one is arguing that that is not true.&nbsp; But peering around a corner or taking a shot from cover and the like is not at all the same as that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 6590156, member: 413"] And who said it was? Read Warmaster Horus's post again...there is a huge difference between peeking around a corner and stepping out into the open. We're talking about peeking around a corner or peering through brush. If you are hidden and peek around a corner, you "can be seen". Are you saying that when you do you are automatically spotted? If so...why have any rules for hiding at all because it seems unlikely anyone will ever be able to hide and do something useful except maybe avoid being attacked. And no...stepping out from cover is in no way going to cause you to automatically be seen. Just a few minutes ago I was changing a smoke detector battery in my daughter's room...she walked past in the hall. I wasn't even trying to hide and she didn't notice me there. I could have reached right through the door and smacked her (attack with advantage anyone). Instead, I just said "boo!" and startled her. Keep that in mind and reread the rule on page 177...note the paragraph that says "In combat..." It is specifically talking about in combat and not in other situations (like a person walking down a hall in their "lair" and feeling unthreatened). So yeah...in combat a nondistracted creature will spot you if you come out of cover (completely) and approach. No one is arguing that that is not true. But peering around a corner or taking a shot from cover and the like is not at all the same as that. [/QUOTE]

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