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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack99" data-source="post: 4539220" data-attributes="member: 53135">I wasn't aware we were looking for that. I got sucked into this mess because I find the hypocrisy of some funny. Regarding the quote to which I responded, it was merely your last mentioning the video, and thus Goodman Games.However, I think that the real problem, is somewhere along the way, someone twisted this from "4e is a success = breaking all sorts of records".Now, we have no way to compare to 1e and 2e (this has been confirmed), so what we can do is compare to 3.0 and 3.5.As I mentioned way back, we know that 4e's first print was 50% bigger than 3.5's first print run, who again was bigger than 3.0's first print run. We know that it was sold out quicker than both, and also thus went into a second and third print faster than the two precedent editions. I guess you could argue that it is a record.We also know, if I am not entirely wrong (maybe Scott can confirm this, if he still bothers with this dead horse), that 4e gift set got to a higher spot on the NYT best-seller list than the 3.0 (or was it 3.5?) PHB. That also could be argued to constitute as breaking a record.Do we know if 4e is the best selling edition of all times? No. Do we know if 4e even sold better than the two previous editions? No we do not. However, and this might be worth talking about. Maybe WotC never expected it to make a clean sweep in the gaming world. The gaming world is very different from just 8 years ago, with the OGL, the abundance of popular d20 variants, etc out there. There is so much more competition of quality today than 8 years ago. Maybe WotC did not expect to get 95% of the old gamers, since they knew, that for the first time in history, they would have to compete against themselves, or rather against the last edition. Anyway, I think I have said my last piece on this subject. We will never really know. I suspect that even if 4e sales numbers were leaked, those who dislike 4e would still argue that 4e isn't a success, and that the numbers were probably fabricated. And if you think that wouldn't happen, why not believe the boss of D&D when he says that 4e has shattered WotC's projections? I mean, wouldn't that be the definition of a success for a company?</blockquote>

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