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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9846852" data-attributes="member: 7006">With all the comments I've made thus far, I feel like I should clarify something that I hadn't bothered to bring up since the discussion was purely about half-elves and elves.  My distaste for the half-elf and the half-orc as fully written-up PHB species are two-fold... first of course is the naming convention, like many other people have talked about (I think anyone naming themselves or others "half" anything is ridiculous, especially when the human side gets to be the one used as the "default").  Drow have a name for their species/sub-species... human/elf mixed heritage should have one as well that isn't "Half" (and why I'm mostly okay with the Khoravar from Eberron because at least there's an attempt in that setting to be a little more cosmopolitan about it.)And second... I just hate that all the talk about needing these mixed heritages getting a full write-up and stats in the PHB is always because it's only about these two specifically.  I feel these two species do not deserve to be the only mixed heritages in the PHB-- especially considering one of them came about fluffed directly as a result of sexual assault for pete's sake!  That's just utter B.S.  To think we're okay with just ignoring the children of say gnome and halfling parents, or dwarf and elf parents, or orc and goblin parents when it comes to write-ups and species features, while simultaneously demanding human/elf and human/orc parentage be given all the bells and whistles as they always have.  To me, that's also ridiculous.I'd actually be perfectly okay if the PHB had a write-up in the Species chapter that actually gave players the opportunity to mechanically create a mixed species character from the parents of two differing species.  If they did that... gave us a method for creating a write-up for a child of tiefling/dragonborn parents amongst all the others... then I'd be all for that.  It's just the isolating of these two and only these two specific ones (the half-orc and half-elf) that make me glad they got removed from 5E24.  I'm All-or-nothing in my opinion-- either let people make any mixed species character they want mechanically... or do what they have done in the new book and print none of it... just have people have it as part of their background and history of their character and just roleplay it.</blockquote>

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