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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2507667" data-attributes="member: 12037">Since we're apparently dropping the sugarcoating, I'll give you some advice. Save the adventure for another campaign with lower level PCs. Otherwise, you'll probably have grumbling players who mutter things under their breath like "railroading," "deus ex machina," and "hosing." Why? Because, its a cop out to nerf abilities just because you want to run a particular adventure.The classic example is divination, though teleport is right behind. Lots of DMs hate divination. They can't stand it when PCs can find things out without jumping through whatever hoops they have planned. They want to make murder mysteries and hide enemy movements and hide things from the PCs. But, then PCs come along with speak with dead, scry, and locate object, and the DM complains that they cheated. They bypassed the DM's whole plan. But, they didn't cheat. They used their abilities.Plan for them to find the McGuffin with locate object. Plan for them to know where the enemy is with scry. And, plan for them to speakwith dead to the already dead victim. Then, the players are happy that they get to use their neat new abilities, and your adventure is even better!Teleport is one of those abilities. Like I said, if you just want the same old 1st level adventures with bigger numbers, run without teleport. Run without divniations, too, and spells like fly or heroes feast. Then they'll have to swim across that waterfall, and they'll be easy prey for the sleeping poison you'll have prepared to pull them into the adventure. Then you will only have bigger damage spell, better buffs, etc, etc, etc.I hope this sounds unreasonable. Because, to some people, your wanting to hose teleport is just as unreasonable as someone wanting to drop break enchantment. These are abilities that PCs have, and if the adventure can take them into account, you can create an adventure with all the drama of a rat in a cage scenario without making the PCs into your rats.Now, I'm going to 180. Sometimes its okay. There's nothing that is always bad. You could even possibly put a good spin on killing a PC with no save or way to defend themself. But, you'd better have an amazing reason to back that up. I once trapped the PCs in Carceri. They couldn't teleport out, they were effectively trapped like rats in a maze. They had the entirety of the infinite Plane to move around in, but still trapped. So, everything has its exception. You arn't talking like this is some amazing exception, though; it seems more like "I have a cool idea for an adventure, but the PCs can easily bypass it. How can I keep them in check?" kind of deal that harkens back to ye olde modules that always start with "This is a list of spells that don't work in the dungeon: teleport, passwall, scry..." that always always always made my skin crawl.This isn't what you want to hear, but lots of people have given you very good ideas about how to create the sense of being trapped without actually trapping the PCs. But, you dismissed this. Well, you shouldn't. If the PCs feel trapped or powerless, that's one thing. If the players feel trapped or powerless that quite another thing entirely, and one I cannot advocate.</blockquote>

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