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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5384586" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think, as NeonChameleon said that the major difference is EXISTING 4e characters are never invalidated by Essentials. In a VERY small number of cases like Melee Training a rules update that coincided with Essentials being released will have an impact on a character sheet, but no player choice once made has ever been invalidated. None of them has really been substantially changed. Worst case a player MAY want to retrain like with the new and improved Expertise and defense feats, but they don't have to and they won't be missing much if they don't bother. I know for instance none of my players has even noticed the existence of better feats in Essentials. They pretty much purely go by CB anyway and rarely care about updates, so they'll probably play happily to the end of the campaign before they make new characters and start using those new feats.3.0 -> 3.5 -> PF OTOH all require major rewriting. Some things have been removed in both transitions and other things that have a major impact on the character changed. That isn't even to mention any new stuff that was added. Sure, there is a degree of compatibility in both of those transitions, the core structure of the rules is very similar, but they are each different games. Of course PF never claimed to be 3.5, so that's fine, you start playing it you will expect to redo anything and everything potentially. I'm sure the changes to some characters are very small, maybe no more profound than changes you might want to make to a 4e character with the latest updates, but they can also be MUCH larger. You can sorta kinda continue to use 3.5 stuff that doesn't exist in PF, if you squint a little now and then as well, but by the same token you can ignore rules updates in 4e.Still seems to me that 4e is a lot smaller scale of changes with a lot more compatibility than either of the 3.x series transitions. I can see why some players in some games might not see them as vastly different kinds of things, but others will. I mean taking a high level fighter from 3.5 to PF is basically a total major rewrite of the character for instance. But if you were playing a lower level wizard you might notice only a few changes in spell text that don't matter to you too much.</blockquote>

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