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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4458358" data-attributes="member: 2205">I like the idea that the primordials were primoridal (heh) were actually rather harmless nature deities, more like the Vanir or something than like the jotuns.  Ancient heretical texts, and these can actually be corroborated by extremely ancient archons, angels or elementals speak to the fact that the world was actually very peaceful, harmonious and otherwise pleasant before the gods made their naked and unabashed bid for power.Then, when the PC's have firmly set their feet on the path of trying to dethrone the gods and restore the primordials... after the ship has definately sailed and their souls belong to the primordials, they'll find out that in the intervening years they've become obsessed with revenge, and their idea of fixing the world is to eliminate at least 90% of all sentient life and all higher civilization via prolonged ice ages, plagues, and other natural catastrophes.When humanity (and uh... dwarfity and elfity, etc.?) are reduced to barely being more civilized than animals, non-tool-using and unable to use language again, they'll be satisfied that the world is back on course.Of course, like I said, by then the ship has sailed and the PC's will be left trying to decide which is worse; the "angry hippy" primordials, or the war-promoting despotic gods.Maybe they'll turn to demons next, looking for a suitable ruler for the world.</blockquote>