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<blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 5139503" data-attributes="member: 1956">My suggestion list is somewhat similar to the one of Herzog's.My list does not include something (IMHO) too complex or using rules too different from core rules (say, psionics or ToBclasses). But if you prefer such a challenge, they can be a good change, too.A. WarlockSimple and yet effective. Is different enough from other PCs. And at 5th-level you can have 8 ranks in UMD and can take 10. That means you can use spell trigger items of any class. Have fun!B. BardHaving 5 other PCs and all the must-have roles are filled? This is truly a good chance to play a Bard! A bard is a great addition when a PC party is relatively big. And in emergency, you can fill the role of other characters (say,&nbsp; healer or mage).C. DuskbladeAt level 5th, a Duskblade can already proficient in medium armor. Can act as a secondary tank and a very versatile attacker.D. ArcherMaybe Scout/Ranger with Swift Hunter feat. Or even pure fighter with tons of Archery feats may an interesting option which you will not usually do.E. Monster RaceRolling up a new character of ECL 5 is a good chance to play a LA +1 to +2 race. Catfolk or Half-Ogre, maybe?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shin Okada, post: 5139503, member: 1956"] My suggestion list is somewhat similar to the one of Herzog's. My list does not include something (IMHO) too complex or using rules too different from core rules (say, psionics or ToB classes). But if you prefer such a challenge, they can be a good change, too. A. Warlock Simple and yet effective. Is different enough from other PCs. And at 5th-level you can have 8 ranks in UMD and can take 10. That means you can use spell trigger items of any class. Have fun! B. Bard Having 5 other PCs and all the must-have roles are filled? This is truly a good chance to play a Bard! A bard is a great addition when a PC party is relatively big. And in emergency, you can fill the role of other characters (say, healer or mage). C. Duskblade At level 5th, a Duskblade can already proficient in medium armor. Can act as a secondary tank and a very versatile attacker. D. Archer Maybe Scout/Ranger with Swift Hunter feat. Or even pure fighter with tons of Archery feats may an interesting option which you will not usually do. E. Monster Race Rolling up a new character of ECL 5 is a good chance to play a LA +1 to +2 race. Catfolk or Half-Ogre, maybe? [/QUOTE]

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