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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 1579935" data-attributes="member: 354">So I suppose I should put this in context, not that it will help as the legions of people cry that I should be banned from ever slinging dice again after they read this, but...I'm mostly a DM anymore. So I relish the few chances at playing I get. There is a DM I play under quite frequently (and so do several of my players), who is a sterotypical 'teen girl' gamer, despite having left her teens behind. IE, all the most powerful NPCs in her world are women, everything seems coated in a layer of glitter, and cats and celestials run rampent.I'm not trying to be sexist with this; one of my favorite DMs I've ever played under was female, and I've met a number of great female players. She just isn't one of them.Anyhow, so I was playing under her. One of her *worst* traits is that she's a "DM's Pet NPC" DM. Always very similar NPCs. Always good to a fault, capable of summoning something celestial, and normally an elf or half elf. We (the players) have *all* expressed at one point or another, to her, that we find this irritating and we really wish she wouldn't do it. She still does it.So we had been hired to clear out orcs from the forest around a city. Part of our terms of being hired was we had to take this NPC along with us, despite repeated attempts at bargining our way out of it. And, surprise surprise, it was a half elf ranger who somehow summoned a celestial dog.So we tromped through the forest for a while, had an encounter with the "wise and helpful" centaurs who lead us to the edge or orc territory, and took out a couple of orc patrols.It's worth pointing out that while her NPC was good to a fault, none of us were. We had a neutral psion, a chaotic neutral cleric (Me, whos religion espoused "humans > dwarves > everyone else > "lesser races" such as orcs"), and a lawful evil monk. By this point her NPC had been in full form. Cheery, summoning her dog at every moment she could, being a machine in combat, and generaly being a pain in the butt. Turns out she had Favored Enemy Orc.Then she wants to keep the last orc alive and trade it's freedom for the location of the orc camp. Now, I realize, thanks to recent changes, favored enemy now no longer implys a dislike of the race you are sworn to master killing, but... come on... She's a half elf. Ranger. In an elven forest. With favored enemy orc.About this time she called a break and went to get a drink. I jotted down a quick note, something like, "when I wink, follow my lead if you want this to end."So we find the orc camp. 70+ strong. We're prepping for battle.I cast enlarge person on the monk, and wink.We subdue the NPC, tie her up, and give her to the orcs.When she's dead, we kill them, return to the city, and report that she "fell in battle".By this point, the DM is understandably very mad. Apparently, the city was interested enough in this NPC that they were monitoring our party with scrying and saw us kill her. We had a price the size of the national debt put on our head.About this point we break for the night. And we basicly tell her, the next NPC she tries to have join us, the same thing will happen, and on to infinity.I feel bad about doing it. I consider her a friend. And its about the worst type of action a player can take. But *nothing* else has got the message through. We even stopped playing under her for a while, and she promised she would stop. And she did, for a little while. But not for very long.But then when you add in the whole "npc was apparently being monitored at all times" crap, and I'm feeling a lot less guilty.Yes, some of us got hit with alignment infraction. Yes, the characters we used are now basicly doomed, because the arm of the law in her world is VERY long.And yes, I feel bad doing something like this to a friend.So basicly, I guess, the point of this long ramble is...I know I screwed up. I really do. I shouldn't have done what I did. But I can't take it back. And honestly... Even though I know I shouldn't have done it, given the exact same circumstances, I think I would do it again. The group isn't mad at me. The group sides with me. And I'm not asking for forgiveness. But has anyone else done something similar, in similar circumstances? No other way to get a message through to a DM? Is what I did *that* anathema, or is beating the DM over the head with a point actually required/accepted now and then?</blockquote>

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