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<blockquote data-quote="Savage Wombat" data-source="post: 1580000" data-attributes="member: 1932">First off, let me say I know EXACTLY the kind of player you're describing.&nbsp; And it's not just women that do it.&nbsp; In fan-fic land, it's called a &quot;Mary-Sue character&quot; - and it's annoying as all get out.The problem, as I see it, is that you didn't just attack an important campaign NPC - you attacked the GM's pet character.&nbsp; Her stand-in in the campaign, the one whom she lives vicariously through.&nbsp; So it's about as bad as killing another PC, especially a player's favorite PC.&nbsp; Some people take that sort of thing personally.You did try to express your displeasure, at least - but people like that can be very difficult to get through to (&quot;You said you didn't like characters like this, but this character isn't like that because her pet's a ghost, not an angel&quot;) and sometimes an object lesson can be necessary.&nbsp; I'd still apologize, though, just to assuage hurt feelings, and see if you can't work something out.As to the &quot;have I ever done this&quot; thing - not to a DM, no.&nbsp; But I have had players have to do it to other players, who simply would not take a hint.&nbsp; The favorite example being from a friend's quasi-Roman military game, where the punchline was &quot;I've spoken to you twice before about disobeying orders, and endangering your fellow soldiers, but you keep doing it.&nbsp; Guards - take this man, and put him on a cross.&quot;So as you can see, sometimes it takes extreme measures to get through a thick skull.&nbsp; Heck, isn't that the whole point of St. Cuthbert?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Savage Wombat, post: 1580000, member: 1932"] First off, let me say I know EXACTLY the kind of player you're describing. And it's not just women that do it. In fan-fic land, it's called a "Mary-Sue character" - and it's annoying as all get out. The problem, as I see it, is that you didn't just attack an important campaign NPC - you attacked the GM's pet character. Her stand-in in the campaign, the one whom she lives vicariously through. So it's about as bad as killing another PC, especially a player's favorite PC. Some people take that sort of thing personally. You did try to express your displeasure, at least - but people like that can be very difficult to get through to ("You said you didn't like characters like this, but this character isn't like that because her pet's a ghost, not an angel") and sometimes an object lesson can be necessary. I'd still apologize, though, just to assuage hurt feelings, and see if you can't work something out. As to the "have I ever done this" thing - not to a DM, no. But I have had players have to do it to other players, who simply would not take a hint. The favorite example being from a friend's quasi-Roman military game, where the punchline was "I've spoken to you twice before about disobeying orders, and endangering your fellow soldiers, but you keep doing it. Guards - take this man, and put him on a cross." So as you can see, sometimes it takes extreme measures to get through a thick skull. Heck, isn't that the whole point of St. Cuthbert? [/QUOTE]

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