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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2730735" data-attributes="member: 32300">Not having acces to the books listed above, could you not do something along the lines ofCreate standard character, for example, human warrior, advance him to 5th, have him die, have him raised as a zombie (you get free willed undead such as Death kights, why not a zombie). Now as a zombie, you remove your constitution, and reroll your hp's to 5th using D12's, decide what special benefits being a free willed zombie gives you, and work out a Level Adjustement wiht your GM (for arguments sake, say 2 levels), add that on to your original 5th level fighter, giving you an ECL of 7th, and then progress him onwards by class to 9th.He would still gain skills etc as a warrior, because if hes free willed undead, hes got a brain, so he can still learnAs a zombie character, he might gain strength bonus, lose some wisdom (more likely to take risks) depending on how he died, and if he was left in that state, lose some charisma, but gain Damage reduction and maybe dexterity (yes ordinary mindless zombies are slow and clumsy, but a free willed zombie would take advantage of the mind over matter aspect of his body, and not worry about bending his body the wrong way to aovid a blow, or to hit someone with his weapon)Special characters always need the GM's input to be fair, but using a simplistic approach and reasoned arguments can save a lot of book keepingFeegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />[edit]Spelling AGAIN[/edit]</blockquote>

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