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<blockquote data-quote="griff_goodbeard" data-source="post: 2731074" data-attributes="member: 30572">I'll reitterate if you have access to The book of vile darkness, the &quot;corpse&quot; creature template is exactly what you're looking for. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I think some of the confusion above comes from your use of the word template when refering to the ogre class And various undead.&nbsp; It took me a second to get you meaning.&nbsp; It's semantics mostly, but the ogre class you posted isn't a &quot;template&quot; as defined by D&amp;D rules.&nbsp; It certainly makes sense for you to refer to it as a character template, but within the scope of D&amp;D &quot;template&quot; takes on a new meaning.&nbsp; Ogre would be a race (the fact that it has racial hd and a LA is irrelevant to what it's called), not a template.&nbsp; A template is something added to a race to change/improve it in some way.Example: a human, an orc, and a dwarf are all slain by a ghoul, when they rise they are just ghouls, their former race is irrelevant.&nbsp; Thy have all the stats of a ghoul from the MM.&nbsp; Ghoul effectively &quot;becomes&quot; their race.&nbsp; Now Gravetouched Ghoul is a template and if the same three characters from above were raised as GT ghouls they would retain their race and racial feature and just add the GT ghoul features on top of that.It's a small distinction, and I do apologize if you know all this already.&nbsp; It just seemed to me that there was some confusion with people trying to provide the best advice possible.Good Gaming!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="griff_goodbeard, post: 2731074, member: 30572"] I'll reitterate if you have access to The book of vile darkness, the "corpse" creature template is exactly what you're looking for. ;) I think some of the confusion above comes from your use of the word template when refering to the ogre class And various undead. It took me a second to get you meaning. It's semantics mostly, but the ogre class you posted isn't a "template" as defined by D&D rules. It certainly makes sense for you to refer to it as a character template, but within the scope of D&D "template" takes on a new meaning. Ogre would be a race (the fact that it has racial hd and a LA is irrelevant to what it's called), not a template. A template is something added to a race to change/improve it in some way. Example: a human, an orc, and a dwarf are all slain by a ghoul, when they rise they are just ghouls, their former race is irrelevant. Thy have all the stats of a ghoul from the MM. Ghoul effectively "becomes" their race. Now Gravetouched Ghoul is a template and if the same three characters from above were raised as GT ghouls they would retain their race and racial feature and just add the GT ghoul features on top of that. It's a small distinction, and I do apologize if you know all this already. It just seemed to me that there was some confusion with people trying to provide the best advice possible. Good Gaming! [/QUOTE]

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