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<blockquote data-quote="Valicor" data-source="post: 665490" data-attributes="member: 1555">Okay, I rarely come aroudn these boards or post here anymore but when I see somethign like this, I have to say something.Am I reading this right?&nbsp; You are taking your personal felings out on this guy, because you had a afew bad apples at your table? Social Contract?&nbsp; Ya is respectful to listen to the DM, but when the action is not directed at you.&nbsp; Example your character is not in the town, or within shouting distance of the party.&nbsp; There isn't much he can do about it.&nbsp; Do you honestly want to sit there for anywhere from 1-4 hours with your mouth shut doing nothing, whuile everyone interacts and relates?&nbsp; I've found in siutatiosn like this whehter you are them DM trying to get the player in thecenter with everyone or you are the player trying to get in it isn't exaclty easy.&nbsp; Because activities are cropping up that divert attention.How could he have participated when he was ignored.&nbsp; I have gone thorugh many games where My involvment was essentially put on the back burner.&nbsp; It doesn't matter how much effort you put into getting back to center you gotta ride it out and wait your turn.&nbsp; And paying attention still while doign soemthign else what's wrong with that.&nbsp; Some people are capable of doing more then one task at a time.&nbsp; Then again I guess there are some who are not capable of this.Finally what is wrong with playing a Forsaker.&nbsp; Are you forgetting your job as a DM, adapt the style of game for the players.&nbsp; They are not there to specifically acomadate you.&nbsp; The DM provides a world that can be influenced and shaped by the PC's.&nbsp; Plot hook &amp; character frienships.&nbsp; A DM should not be in the buisness of forbiding everying that deminishes hsi ideal Utopia Fantasy Woirld, where he is the supreme God.&nbsp; Players have free will. No where in the Forsaker Prestige class does it say that he cannot work with a party that uses magical items.&nbsp; Lets look at the advantges to this character in such a group.&nbsp; He could have joined them to destroy a more pressing magical item such as a Artifact.&nbsp; Maybe teamed up to defeat an evil wizard and destropy his magical tower.&nbsp; Granted a Forsaker may take alittle ocmmunication with the DM before using, but it is not an anti social engine that segragates a party into divisions, like you make it sound.And your last comment, thats just spiteful.&nbsp; Now I remember why I rarely hang around these boards anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Valicor, post: 665490, member: 1555"] Okay, I rarely come aroudn these boards or post here anymore but when I see somethign like this, I have to say something. Am I reading this right? You are taking your personal felings out on this guy, because you had a afew bad apples at your table? Social Contract? Ya is respectful to listen to the DM, but when the action is not directed at you. Example your character is not in the town, or within shouting distance of the party. There isn't much he can do about it. Do you honestly want to sit there for anywhere from 1-4 hours with your mouth shut doing nothing, whuile everyone interacts and relates? I've found in siutatiosn like this whehter you are them DM trying to get the player in thecenter with everyone or you are the player trying to get in it isn't exaclty easy. Because activities are cropping up that divert attention. How could he have participated when he was ignored. I have gone thorugh many games where My involvment was essentially put on the back burner. It doesn't matter how much effort you put into getting back to center you gotta ride it out and wait your turn. And paying attention still while doign soemthign else what's wrong with that. Some people are capable of doing more then one task at a time. Then again I guess there are some who are not capable of this. Finally what is wrong with playing a Forsaker. Are you forgetting your job as a DM, adapt the style of game for the players. They are not there to specifically acomadate you. The DM provides a world that can be influenced and shaped by the PC's. Plot hook & character frienships. A DM should not be in the buisness of forbiding everying that deminishes hsi ideal Utopia Fantasy Woirld, where he is the supreme God. Players have free will. No where in the Forsaker Prestige class does it say that he cannot work with a party that uses magical items. Lets look at the advantges to this character in such a group. He could have joined them to destroy a more pressing magical item such as a Artifact. Maybe teamed up to defeat an evil wizard and destropy his magical tower. Granted a Forsaker may take alittle ocmmunication with the DM before using, but it is not an anti social engine that segragates a party into divisions, like you make it sound. And your last comment, thats just spiteful. Now I remember why I rarely hang around these boards anymore. [/QUOTE]

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