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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8678849" data-attributes="member: 67338">this is why I have an arming sword that is a d8 finess and verstile so I can have dex builds use a 'long sword' cause rapier bugs some of my players... but lets crunch some numbers.Assume a 16 dex 14 conAssume a 16 str 14 con 13 dex or a 16 str 14 dex 13 con is already an issue. so I will make 3 fighters... Alan Bob and Cassie Shortened to A B and Cyou get heavy armor Chain (AC 16 as you armor or you get light armor leather (11+dex)You then get either 2 weapons or a weapon and a shield (we are only going melee here)Alan gets the 16 dex and 14 COn he starts with AC17 and 12hp second wind and a fighting style (defensive) he is fighting with rapier and shield to buckle some swash&nbsp; he hits with a +5 1d8+3, and rolls +3 initiativeBob gets teh 16 str 14 Con and starts with AC 16 and 12hp second win and a fighting style (great weapon) he is fighting with a two handed sword and hits with a +5 2d6+3 reroll 1's and 2's and rolls initiative at +1Cassie gets the 16 str 14 dex 13 con and stats with AC 19 and 11 hp second wind and a fighting style (defensive) he fights with a long sword and shield and hits with a +5 to hit and 1d8+3 and rolls initiative at +2A and C are similar and trading 2AC for 1 hp and 1 initiativeB is a completely different build... it has the lowest AC and initiative, but it does the most damageaverage damageA &amp; C 7.5 per hitB 12 per hit</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8678849, member: 67338"] this is why I have an arming sword that is a d8 finess and verstile so I can have dex builds use a 'long sword' cause rapier bugs some of my players... but lets crunch some numbers. Assume a 16 dex 14 con Assume a 16 str 14 con 13 dex or a 16 str 14 dex 13 con is already an issue. so I will make 3 fighters... Alan Bob and Cassie Shortened to A B and C you get heavy armor Chain (AC 16 as you armor or you get light armor leather (11+dex) You then get either 2 weapons or a weapon and a shield (we are only going melee here) Alan gets the 16 dex and 14 COn he starts with AC17 and 12hp second wind and a fighting style (defensive) he is fighting with rapier and shield to buckle some swash he hits with a +5 1d8+3, and rolls +3 initiative Bob gets teh 16 str 14 Con and starts with AC 16 and 12hp second win and a fighting style (great weapon) he is fighting with a two handed sword and hits with a +5 2d6+3 reroll 1's and 2's and rolls initiative at +1 Cassie gets the 16 str 14 dex 13 con and stats with AC 19 and 11 hp second wind and a fighting style (defensive) he fights with a long sword and shield and hits with a +5 to hit and 1d8+3 and rolls initiative at +2 A and C are similar and trading 2AC for 1 hp and 1 initiative B is a completely different build... it has the lowest AC and initiative, but it does the most damage average damage A & C 7.5 per hit B 12 per hit [/QUOTE]

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